Kev3188
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I think "engineer" is a better fit too, but haven't seen any union (including AMFA) make a sunstantive push to change it.
AMFA......read on
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La Li Lu Le Lo said:
In a round about way you help illustrate the point I was going to make.
As your article, and many more like it, point out the DOL classification - or lack thereof is - nonsensical in its rationale. Further it is also completely irrelevant. I have yet to hear in any union negotiations that any airline management had attempted to use a DOL classification as basis or justification for any particular stance.
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Don't shoot the messenger Bob. I never even thought about mechanics being classified one way or the other until I read it on this thread.Bob Owens said:
Afterwards I did Google it and found several references to the DoL classifying mechanics as unskilled, but nothing from the DoL itself.
It may be true or it may not be true but one thing is for sure, the myth (if it is one) is pretty widespread. I don't present these as facts only examples of how widespread this is. This took me less than 2 minutes to find.
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/archive/index.php/t-40086.html
It also amazes me that the BLS still lists A&P's as "unskilled labor". When I heard that- I was floored. Perhaps partially the cause of the low pay? - I just don't know.
https://www.facebook.com/aircraftmechanicshirts/posts/544852215585743
Nate Fulkerson The department of labor classifying a&p's as "unskilled labor"
Joshua Jester Being labeled as unskilled labor by labor department.
That is even being said on this forum
http://www.airlineforums.com/topic/30332-a-p-mechanics-are-skilled-labor1/
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Perception shapes reality. If people perceive you as unskilled, regardless of rather it is true or not, that is how you are going to be treated.ThirdSeatHero said:
How do the think the public perceives "unskilled" labor asking for 35+ an hour?
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La Li Lu Le Lo said:
This is exactly why its irrelevant - on the few instances that this issue rises to the court of public opinion - those opinions are entirely situational for the most part. it is usually based on either an accident suspected of being maintenance related or a strike/job action. In one instance the public demands highly skilled, well trained, knowledgeable maintenance crews and on the other "how dare these greedy unskilled grease monkeys interrupt my vacation/travel plans with their contract nonsense"
And while I'm quite sure that members of many airline management teams have thought about it, they would never dare to voice it out loud for two reasons - 1: As soon as they did, what ever mechanic group affected would immediately turn it into a media circus with the DOL citing articles just like the one in your original post, thus in all likelihood getting the DOL to reclassify aircraft mechanics as something other than unskilled, and/or - 2: Imagine the fun any affected union would have blasting to the media that Airline X or Airline Y openly admits to using "unskilled" maintenance on their planes.
JMHO
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GO GET A A&P LICENSE AND ADD SOME HARD CORE RESPONSIBILITY'S TO YOUR LIFE.(SCREW UP HERE AND YOU CAN KILL SOMEONE NOT JUST LOSE THEIR BAG.)WeAAsles said:
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Are you going out of your way to alienate people or what Travis?TRAVIS said:
You know that Fleet ships live animals, dangerous goods, and human organs right?
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A GATE / Flt # AND HEATED OR NON-HEATED PIT????? O YEA THIS SIDE UP AND DON'T STACK ABOVE THIS LINE!
NOW I SEE THE HARD CORE RESPONSIBILITY'S. SO THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE DOING WHEN THE FLIGHT HAS TO SIT ON THE RAMP FOR 10 MIN OR LONGER WAITING ON THE RAMP TO GUIDE THEM IN.
RESPONSIBILITY SHOULD GO HAND AND HAND WITH THE PAY FOR THE JOB ONE DOES IE. YOU DON'T PAY THE PAPERBOY WHAT YOU PAY THE PLUMBER JUST BECAUSE THEY BOTH COME TO YOUR HOUSE.
Don't get me wrong not looking down on any one for what they do, But each of us go and get the training we need to do our jobs and some have a lot more on going training , responsibility and accountability for what they do than others and the pay should reflect this.
The unions do not want a aircraft mechanic listed as skilled labor they loose a barging chip at the tables to raise pay for other groups and this cuts into their % of DUES.
This IAM / TWU is no more than a way to share the dues NOT for what they can do for us as this last contract shows.
NOW I SEE THE HARD CORE RESPONSIBILITY'S. SO THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE DOING WHEN THE FLIGHT HAS TO SIT ON THE RAMP FOR 10 MIN OR LONGER WAITING ON THE RAMP TO GUIDE THEM IN.
RESPONSIBILITY SHOULD GO HAND AND HAND WITH THE PAY FOR THE JOB ONE DOES IE. YOU DON'T PAY THE PAPERBOY WHAT YOU PAY THE PLUMBER JUST BECAUSE THEY BOTH COME TO YOUR HOUSE.
Don't get me wrong not looking down on any one for what they do, But each of us go and get the training we need to do our jobs and some have a lot more on going training , responsibility and accountability for what they do than others and the pay should reflect this.
The unions do not want a aircraft mechanic listed as skilled labor they loose a barging chip at the tables to raise pay for other groups and this cuts into their % of DUES.
This IAM / TWU is no more than a way to share the dues NOT for what they can do for us as this last contract shows.
