AMFA......read on

[Kev3188]

I think "engineer" is a better fit too, but haven't seen any union (including AMFA) make a sunstantive push to change it.

 

[swamt]

It sure does,
 
Why do you think I can't stand you?

This is a great feature.  Look, you can even select to still read it, but I don't.  What's funny is one of the twins will provoke to try to get you to get him off of "ignore".  Highly suggest all try it.  If all had them on ignore, and all truely did ignore, they will go away...
 
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[AMFAinMIAMI]

This is a great feature.  Look, you can even select to still read it, but I don't.  What's funny is one of the twins will provoke to try to get you to get him off of "ignore".  Highly suggest all try it.  If all had them on ignore, and all truely did ignore, they will go away...
 
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[swamt]

 
swamt
 
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I know.  I have chosen to ignore.  Makes for a better read.  

 

[Bob Owens]

I am not able to find that either but I have found several websites that make that same statement.
 
http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/2007-10-10/industry-targeting-students-ap-mechanic-recruits
Currently the U.S. Department of Labor classifies the A&P mechanic is unskilled labor. This is despite the fact that the A&P mechanic is required to be part mechanic, part engineer, part manager, part accountant and part lawyer. The U.S. is one of the few countries in the western world that does not recognize the A&P as a form of practicing engineer.[/size]
 
For what it's worth I think mechanics are skilled labor but, I am not the DoL.

And neither is the person who wrote that. The fact is this is a myth grown out of a misinterpretation. The DOL does not classy us as "unskilled". It may not classify us as "skilled either" and that's where the myth came from.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

I am not able to find that either but I have found several websites that make that same statement.
 
http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/2007-10-10/industry-targeting-students-ap-mechanic-recruits
Currently the U.S. Department of Labor classifies the A&P mechanic as unskilled labor. This is despite the fact that the A&P mechanic is required to be part mechanic, part engineer, part manager, part accountant and part lawyer. The U.S. is one of the few countries in the western world that does not recognize the A&P as a form of practicing engineer.”
 
For what it's worth I think mechanics are skilled labor but, I am not the DoL.

 
In a round about way you help illustrate the point I was going to make.
 
As your article, and many more like it, point out the DOL classification - or lack thereof is - nonsensical in its rationale. Further it is also completely irrelevant. I have yet to hear in any union negotiations that any airline management had attempted to use a DOL classification as basis or justification for any particular stance.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

And neither is the person who wrote that. The fact is this is a myth grown out of a misinterpretation. The DOL does not classy us as "unskilled". It may not classify us as "skilled either" and that's where the myth came from.

Don't shoot the messenger Bob. I never even thought about mechanics being classified one way or the other until I read it on this thread.
 
Afterwards I did Google it and found several references to the DoL classifying mechanics as unskilled, but nothing from the DoL itself.
 
It may be true or it may not be true but one thing is for sure, the myth (if it is one) is pretty widespread. I don't present these as facts only examples of how widespread this is. This took me less than 2 minutes to find.
 
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/archive/index.php/t-40086.html
It also amazes me that the BLS still lists A&P's as "unskilled labor". When I heard that- I was floored. Perhaps partially the cause of the low pay? - I just don't know. 
 
https://www.facebook.com/aircraftmechanicshirts/posts/544852215585743
Nate Fulkerson The department of labor classifying a&p's as "unskilled labor"
Joshua Jester Being labeled as unskilled labor by labor department.
 
That is even being said on this forum
http://www.airlineforums.com/topic/30332-a-p-mechanics-are-skilled-labor1/

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

In a round about way you help illustrate the point I was going to make.
 
As your article, and many more like it, point out the DOL classification - or lack thereof is - nonsensical in its rationale. Further it is also completely irrelevant. I have yet to hear in any union negotiations that any airline management had attempted to use a DOL classification as basis or justification for any particular stance.

Perception shapes reality. If people perceive you as unskilled, regardless of rather it is true or not, that is how you are going to be treated. 
 
How do the think the public perceives "unskilled" labor asking for 35+ an hour?

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

Perception shapes reality. If people perceive you as unskilled, regardless of rather it is true or not, that is how you are going to be treated. 
 
How do the think the public perceives "unskilled" labor asking for 35+ an hour?

 
This is exactly why its irrelevant - on the few instances that this issue rises to the court of public opinion - those opinions are entirely situational for the most part.  it is usually based on either an accident suspected of being maintenance related or a strike/job action. In one instance the public demands highly skilled, well trained, knowledgeable maintenance crews and on the other "how dare these greedy unskilled grease monkeys interrupt my vacation/travel plans with their contract nonsense"
 
And while I'm quite sure that members of many airline management teams have thought about it, they would never dare to voice it out loud for two reasons - 1: As soon as they did, what ever mechanic group affected would immediately turn it into a media circus with the DOL citing articles just like the one in your original post, thus in all likelihood getting the DOL to reclassify aircraft mechanics as something other than unskilled, and/or - 2: Imagine the fun any affected union would have blasting to the media that Airline X or Airline Y openly admits to using "unskilled" maintenance on their planes.   
 
JMHO

 

[TRAVIS]

Your benefits are worse than mine? You do understand that pay is also considered a benefit right? I'll trade my entire compensation package for yours if you'd really like?

And yes I do believe you should earn more than me and that you should earn even more than you do now.

I personally believe that it's coming.

 GO GET A A&P LICENSE AND ADD  SOME HARD CORE RESPONSIBILITY'S TO YOUR LIFE.(SCREW UP HERE AND YOU CAN KILL SOMEONE NOT JUST LOSE THEIR BAG.)

 

[WeAAsles]

 GO GET A A&P LICENSE AND ADD  SOME HARD CORE RESPONSIBILITY'S TO YOUR LIFE.(SCREW UP HERE AND YOU CAN KILL SOMEONE NOT JUST LOSE THEIR BAG.)

You trying to be cute? It's the way you come across you know.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBtrevowbu8

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

 GO GET A A&P LICENSE AND ADD  SOME HARD CORE RESPONSIBILITY'S TO YOUR LIFE.(SCREW UP HERE AND YOU CAN KILL SOMEONE NOT JUST LOSE THEIR BAG.)

Are you going out of your way to alienate people or what Travis?
 
You know that Fleet ships live animals, dangerous goods, and human organs right?  

 

[TRAVIS]

A  GATE / Flt # AND HEATED OR NON-HEATED PIT????? O YEA THIS SIDE UP AND DON'T STACK ABOVE THIS LINE!
NOW I SEE THE HARD CORE RESPONSIBILITY'S. SO THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE DOING WHEN THE FLIGHT HAS TO SIT ON THE RAMP FOR 10 MIN OR LONGER WAITING ON THE RAMP TO GUIDE THEM IN.
RESPONSIBILITY SHOULD GO HAND AND HAND WITH THE PAY FOR THE JOB ONE DOES IE. YOU DON'T PAY THE PAPERBOY WHAT YOU PAY THE PLUMBER JUST BECAUSE THEY BOTH COME TO YOUR HOUSE.
Don't get me wrong not looking down on any one for what they do, But each of us go and get the training we need to do our jobs and some have a lot more on going training , responsibility and accountability for what they do than others and the pay should reflect this.
The unions do not want a aircraft mechanic listed as skilled labor they loose a barging chip at the tables to raise pay for other groups and this cuts into their % of DUES.
This IAM / TWU  is no more than a way to share the dues NOT for what they can do for us as this last contract shows.

 

[Zom JFK]

Don't get me wrong not looking down on any one for what they do

Well what would give anyone that idea?

 

[AANOTOK]

 GO GET A A&P LICENSE AND ADD  SOME HARD CORE RESPONSIBILITY'S TO YOUR LIFE.(SCREW UP HERE AND YOU CAN KILL SOMEONE NOT JUST LOSE THEIR BAG.)

Another clown joins the circus...