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[WeAAsles]

WeAAsles
 
The pilots are on their own, so are the Flight attendants. Soon the simm tech's with the lastest filing, the gate agents, are as well. But when we the mechanics want that for us its a bad thing? WHY is that?
 
The electricians/Plummers/Painters/Longshoreman/etc.. all are on their own as well.
 
Why is it a big deal for mechanics at AA be be seperate?   If you are a union guy no matter which union is having strife with company each should support the other, correct? What union you have or what they get for you is not my concern. That is what I mean but you and 700UW want to spin it into something else.
 
The betterment of my class and craft is what I want for all mechanics in the airline industry, not jst here at AA.
 
It has nothing to do with education or anything else, its that we want to determine our own destiny. Good/Bad.

Where are you reading into my comments that I have any problem with you wanting to make a go of it on your own? But your own comments in that post that I quoted make it sound like just what 700 said, an elitist mentality.

Of course you should be able to have whatever you and your members want and if they chose to submit the cards and vote in your choice I wish you all the best.

The issue I have will be if you try to make assumptions that you are better than me, my group, any other group or anyone at all for that matter. You wear a Blue Collar shirt just like I do even if the company GAVE you a grey one. I have spoken to mechanics directly who have not an ounce of a problem of getting gains off the backs of others that we work with. That type of mentality again sickens me. I personally don't subscribe to any of that and if any of your co-workers do, they're no different than any CEO or Banker out there.

At the end of the day you need to absolutely understand that we're all in this together. Our enemies don't distinguish us by the scrap of paper we have framed on our wall or not. We're ALL nothing but peasants to them!!!!

 

[700UW]

WeAAsles
 
The pilots are on their own, so are the Flight attendants. Soon the simm tech's with the lastest filing, the gate agents, are as well. But when we the mechanics want that for us its a bad thing? WHY is that?
 
The electricians/Plummers/Painters/Longshoreman/etc.. all are on their own as well.
 
Why is it a big deal for mechanics at AA be be seperate?   If you are a union guy no matter which union is having strife with company each should support the other, correct? What union you have or what they get for you is not my concern. That is what I mean but you and 700UW want to spin it into something else.
 
The betterment of my class and craft is what I want for all mechanics in the airline industry, not jst here at AA.
 
It has nothing to do with education or anything else, its that we want to determine our own destiny. Good/Bad.

You do realize the CWA represents phone workers, which are the majority of the CWA, and you do realize its the CWA and IBT that represent agents at PMUS?
 
And you do realize AMFA represents aircraft cleaners.
 
And you do know the DOL classifies an aircraft mechanic as Unskilled Labor?

 

[WeAAsles]

You do realize the CWA represents phone workers, which are the majority of the CWA, and you do realize its the CWA and IBT that represent agents at PMUS?
 
And you do realize AMFA represents aircraft cleaners.
 
And you do know the DOL classifies an aircraft mechanic as Unskilled Labor?

My friend worked for Yellow Pages.com and was represented by the IBEW.

I have Union made American work boots. Union, UFCWU

The TWU is representing and has signed up Vegas card dealers.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

No matter what is said by me you and 700UW just don't get that mechanics want to be on our own.
 
We know what classifications are within our class and craft and that is dictated by the NMB.
 
What anyone else has or who represents them means nothing to me, We don't think we are better
but what we are saying is if you are not within our class and craft you should not have a say.
 
You can have what ever union you want in your class and craft, just let us decide for our selves without your distractions.

 

[OldGuy@AA]

Nice mantra. Maybe we should make that the doctrine of all unions? I always expected that that comment was true but thank you for confirming it. 

Are you saying that any other group in the TWU cares about the AMTs?  If that were so we wouldn't be stuck with less benefits than any other group.  You and every other work group in the TWU has, with their silence, confirmed our belief that it is every group for themselves.  If I am wrong then where is or was the out cry from the other groups that AMTs were being treated unfairly?  All we got from the other groups was "You wanted separate negotiations."  If you can't at least admit that being singled out for the worst benefits in the airline industry and having your union condone it and refuse to get these benefits back while preserving them for the other groups is wrong then you are completely out of touch and are here only to further the TWU agenda of destroying the AMT work group.  I only hope to see the day where the AMTs at AA are on their own and not subject to this kind of discrimination.  But after 29 years at AA I see this all too often.  Even members of the same work group will help screw other members.  That's why the TWU includes buyouts in the TAs.  I happen to be a union man and I have a problem with anyone being discriminated against in their own union.  I would have a problem if they did it to you but you obviously have no problem with them doing it to me.  "Union men" like you make it possible for the TWU to help AA to run roughshod over all of us.  I would rather not be in the same union with people like that.

 

[OldGuy@AA]

Are you saying that any other group in the TWU cares about the AMTs?  If that were so we wouldn't be stuck with less benefits than any other group.  You and every other work group in the TWU has, with their silence, confirmed our belief that it is every group for themselves.  If I am wrong then where is or was the out cry from the other groups that AMTs were being treated unfairly?  All we got from the other groups was "You wanted separate negotiations."  If you can't at least admit that being singled out for the worst benefits in the airline industry and having your union condone it and refuse to get these benefits back while preserving them for the other groups is wrong then you are completely out of touch and are here only to further the TWU agenda of destroying the AMT work group.  I only hope to see the day where the AMTs at AA are on their own and not subject to this kind of discrimination.  But after 29 years at AA I see this all too often.  Even members of the same work group will help screw other members.  That's why the TWU includes buyouts in the TAs.  I happen to be a union man and I have a problem with anyone being discriminated against in their own union.  I would have a problem if they did it to you but you obviously have no problem with them doing it to me.  "Union men" like you make it possible for the TWU to help AA to run roughshod over all of us.  I would rather not be in the same union with people like that.  But I'm sure this is the kind of reaction you are looking for so you can continue to stir things up.

 

[WeAAsles]

No matter what is said by me you and 700UW just don't get that mechanics want to be on our own.

If you do then you will get the required cards signed and submitted to be able to make that choice?
 
We know what classifications are within our class and craft and that is dictated by the NMB.

Doesn't sound like you're very happy with that? Would you prefer that not to be the case?
 
What anyone else has or who represents them means nothing to me,

Yes you have already stated your feeling towards others and their choices.

We don't think we are better

Really you don't? You just said that you don't care about anyone else, AGAIN.
 
but what we are I am saying is if you are not within our my class and craft you should not have a say.

I don't.
 
You can have what ever union you want in your class and craft, just let us decide for our selves without your distractions.

Who's distracting you?
 

 

[WeAAsles]

Are you saying that any other group in the TWU cares about the AMTs?  If that were so we wouldn't be stuck with less benefits than any other group.  You and every other work group in the TWU has, with their silence, confirmed our belief that it is every group for themselves.  If I am wrong then where is or was the out cry from the other groups that AMTs were being treated unfairly?  All we got from the other groups was "You wanted separate negotiations."  If you can't at least admit that being singled out for the worst benefits in the airline industry and having your union condone it and refuse to get these benefits back while preserving them for the other groups is wrong then you are completely out of touch and are here only to further the TWU agenda of destroying the AMT work group.  I only hope to see the day where the AMTs at AA are on their own and not subject to this kind of discrimination.  But after 29 years at AA I see this all too often.  Even members of the same work group will help screw other members.  That's why the TWU includes buyouts in the TAs.  I happen to be a union man and I have a problem with anyone being discriminated against in their own union.  I would have a problem if they did it to you but you obviously have no problem with them doing it to me.  "Union men" like you make it possible for the TWU to help AA to run roughshod over all of us.  I would rather not be in the same union with people like that.

Sir let's be realistic here for a moment shall we. Your only concern is for you and you alone. I have been hearing for years the line guys hating on the Tulsa guys. Not saying that the Tulsa guys don't deserve some of it by having little concern for how much it costs in certain areas to work (COLA) But that's the 800LB Gorilla in the room that very few of you care to ever be honest about. Bob is about the only AMT I've read on here that has said it and I admire his honesty there.

I'm a 19 year FSC. C'mon and tell me really how much you care about me and my workgroup while you park over at the Maintenance hanger. Bet you'd raise a huge stink if I parked my Mustang over there?

BTW if you knew the letters I've written, petitions I've signed and legislation I've watched that affects Aircraft Maintenance in the US, you might not be too quick to say I don't give a piss about you.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

You do realize the CWA represents phone workers,

It's called telecommunications.
 

And you do know the DOL classifies an aircraft mechanic as Unskilled Labor?

Do YOU classify them as unskilled labor.

 

[Show me the money]

I see we have some one editing others letters to fit how he or she believes it should read. If you have a rebuttal, would love to hear it. You appear to take it personaly when some one disagrees with you. The facts are that the TWU has let the company take things from the AMT'S since 2003. With AMFA, we and I mean we are offered a choice. If that is not your choice so be it. We want the chance to sit in on negotiations, we want mechanics only in our union. The tactic of the TWU to bring in other groups to skew the votes outcome needs to end. We want to be able to vote out leaders in the union who do not speak for us but for themselves, and not appointed by some grand poobah. We are tired of T/A's that show up and are told this the best we could do and they pass with 50.85% of the vote with no accounting of totals. If this is the kind of representaion you looking for by all means wear your TWU pin with pride. If you cannot take one more minute of the TWU, and this negotiations coming up is your last contract, your chance for change is here.  Sign a card and lets get things going in a positive direction.

 

[WeAAsles]

I see we have some one editing others letters to fit how he or she believes it should read. If you have a rebuttal, would love to hear it. You appear to take it personaly when some one disagrees with you. The facts are that the TWU has let the company take things from the AMT'S since 2003. With AMFA, we and I mean we are offered a choice. If that is not your choice so be it. We want the chance to sit in on negotiations, "we want mechanics only in our union." The tactic of the TWU to bring in other groups to skew the votes outcome needs to end. We want to be able to vote out leaders in the union who do not speak for us but for themselves, and not appointed by some grand poobah. We are tired of T/A's that show up and are told this the best we could do and they pass with 50.85% of the vote with no accounting of totals. If this is the kind of representaion you looking for by all means wear your TWU pin with pride. If you cannot take one more minute of the TWU, and this negotiations coming up is your last contract, your chance for change is here.  Sign a card and lets get things going in a positive direction.

So my guess would be that you would prefer to exclude Title 2, parts washers and those guys that change out the seats then? Do you only want members that have all the A and P licenses that can be obtained?

The reality is that if you get this thing you guys want you can get a a raise as high as you want it but don't give me the BS that you wouldn't sell out your non skilled labor to get it.

The reality is that you will NEVER get the money you're looking for as long as you have all those other people shackled to y'all.

C'mon be honest with me. Do you REALLY want all these people in your group? I'm not talking about what the NMB says you have to have. I'm asking do you really want to have to represent the unwashed filth?

 

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

All we got from the other groups was "You wanted separate negotiations." 

I have said that to you myself.  I don't condone what the TWU did to the mechanics. It is shameful. However, when you share a UNION flag under a UNION with a track record like AA/TWU's and run separate negotiations B.S. like that should be EXPECTED. The answer of course is to fire your negotiator. 
 
I am no fan of TWU. You and I know why. I would love nothing more than to see the mechanics of American Airlines send them packing. I am tired of their games as well.
 

If you can't at least admit that being singled out for the worst benefits in the airline industry and having your union condone it and refuse to get these benefits back while preserving them for the other groups is wrong then you are completely out of touch and are here only to further the TWU agenda of destroying the AMT work group. 

I agree with you about the benefits. Mechanics pretty much have the worst benefits in the company. I am sure that is by design. I don't think people are here to destroy the AMT work group, they just don't care because it does not affect them. I can say that goes both ways though, without going into details I am sure you know why I feel that way. 
 

That's why the TWU includes buyouts in the TAs.

Buying votes. We have all been victimized by that strategy. 

 

[WeAAsles]

I have said that to you myself.  I don't condone what the TWU did to the mechanics. It is shameful. However, when you share a UNION flag under a UNION with a track record like AA/TWU's and run separate negotiations B.S. like that should be EXPECTED. The answer of course is to fire your negotiator. 
 
I am no fan of TWU. You and I know why. I would love nothing more than to see the mechanics of American Airlines send them packing. I am tired of their games as well.
 

I agree with you about the benefits. Mechanics pretty much have the worst benefits in the company. I am sure that is by design. I don't think people are here to destroy the AMT work group, they just don't care because it does not affect them. I can say that goes both ways though, without going into details I am sure you know why I feel that way. 
 

Buying votes. We have all been victimized by that strategy.

Jeez more comments from a FORMER FSC. And a Jr. one at that. You are NOT a mechanic and you currently do not work for either AA or US. To the gallows with you. Off with your head.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

 I'm not talking about what the NMB says you have to have. I'm asking do you really want to have to represent the unwashed filth?

Spoken like a true manipulating libtard. You missed your calling you should have been a politician.

 

[WeAAsles]

Spoken like a true manipulating libtard. You missed your calling you should have been a politician.

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