American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[B737 driver]

driver here check this out. September 28, 2015 is the date that Oscar Munoz took over as CEO of UAL. First check out the stock performance and where it stands today for UAL.

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Now check out the performance of AA in the same period.

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There can’t be any doubt even after the multiple Billions that AA Management is wasting on share buybacks that Wall Street has more confidence in the Business and Leadership at UAL over the same at AA.

Wall Street has bought shares in UAL since Sept 2015 and they have dumped shares of AA in the same period of time.

This is where the Association has their leverage. And the LAA Labor Groups, APA, APFA And TWU are focusing on the possible lack of confidence in the Leadership of Doug Parker on down.

Money talks and B.S. walks my friend.

 

[WeAAsles]

Kelly made the flight attendants and pilots happy. Most people were happy until our road shows happened.So it comes down what we can live with.

If your Membership really did vote down that TA because the Leadership sold against it then you have to accept that reality. Of course it hasn’t changed the fact that you didn’t see the results and I would have a problem with that if it was my Union. I also don’t believe that it secretly passed and they’re lying to you though.

And Kelly didn’t treat the TWU ground workers spectacular over there either. They only voted on that deal cause they had a Local in LAX that screwed up big time and went wildcat forcing a vote to save their membership.

That vote only passed by 51%

Don’t know how long the Negotiations were for the FA’s and Pilots there last time or the pass percentage?

Money talks and B.S. walks my friend.

Exactly. And eventually things do move. They always do.

A Kook has been saying all over the internet that the Association gave away all their leverage when they accepted a raise for the second part of cross utilization over here.

Well if all of the Airline industry Unions needed to have JCBA talks to reach deals then the industry would never get deals and most of them have reached deals the last few years haven’t they. (Common sense again)

So the entire notion that Labor has no hand whatsoever is totally asinine and a dopey dumb notion.

Go after the Executive pockets and they start to become a little friendlier.

 

[B737 driver]

If your Membership really did vote down that TA because the Leadership sold against it then you have to accept that reality. Of course it hasn’t changed the fact that you didn’t see the results and I would have a problem with that if it was my Union. I also don’t believe that it secretly passed and they’re lying to you though.

And Kelly didn’t treat the TWU ground workers spectacular over there either. They only voted on that deal cause they had a Local in LAX that screwed up big time and went wildcat forcing a vote to save their membership.

That vote only passed by 51%

Don’t know how long the Negotiations were for the FA’s and Pilots there last time or the pass percentage?



Exactly. And eventually things do move. They always do.

A Kook has been saying all over the internet that the Association gave away all their leverage when they accepted a raise for the second part of cross utilization over here.

Well if all of the Airline industry Unions needed to have JCBA talks to reach deals then the industry would never get deals and most of them have reached deals the last few years haven’t they. (Common sense again)

So the entire notion that Labor has no hand whatsoever is totally asinine and a dopey dumb notion.

Go after the Executive pockets and they start to become a little friendlier.

Pilots at SWA were 5 years, F/A after they fired their first negotiating team was 4.5 years, and that included them both voting their contracts down once, then approving the second one. I also don't believe the overwhelming No, when you absolutely refuse to release the numbers. Especially when the results were leaked on Facebook during the voting process. But that's a dead horse. I also believe we better have some deep pockets. I also know they will never take a strike vote, they have already said that. So that leaves you getting what you get. Which is why I respect your operation at American. I am afraid we would be highest paid to the last day. If the Bankruptcy monster ever visited SWA. Peace brother!

 

[737823]

Tim why is the IAMNPF based in prime real estate in the ritzy west end of D.C.?

http://www.akridge.com/property/95/1300ConnecticutAvenueNW#description

IAM National Pension Fund, 1300 Connecticut Avenue, NW, Suite 300, Washington, DC 20036-1711

Perhaps a lower cost area would not close enough to luxury hotels and high-end restaurants.

700 often justified the crystal palace in Upper Marlboro, MD as being a cost savings compared to central D.C. and that it was fiscally prudent since according to him the IAM built it with proceeds of their building in D.C. and interest from the strike fund.

Josh

 

[WeAAsles]

Pilots at SWA were 5 years, F/A after they fired their first negotiating team was 4.5 years, and that included them both voting their contracts down once, then approving the second one. I also don't believe the overwhelming No, when you absolutely refuse to release the numbers. Especially when the results were leaked on Facebook during the voting process. But that's a dead horse. I also believe we better have some deep pockets. I also know they will never take a strike vote, they have already said that. So that leaves you getting what you get. Which is why I respect your operation at American. I am afraid we would be highest paid to the last day. If the Bankruptcy monster ever visited SWA. Peace brother!

According to Wikipedia the IAM is the 10th and the TWU is the 28th largest Labor Unions in the US with over 800,000 total members.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_labor_unions_in_the_United_States#Largest_unions

 

[swamt]

FYI I actually don’t believe you were the one to report him. Usually the first one to respond to an accusation is the real guilty party and you weren’t the first to respond.

And if it wasn’t driving you crazy then I ask again, why did you keep trying to get his attention.

He may also have been thrown off because so many of you were trying hard to get him tossed by calling him 700 and Rich.

My friend may be a Douchbag at times but MAN does he scare the crap out of a lot of posters on here. (He’ll be back BTW)





What I want? Now THERE is a great question. Nope not trying to chase anyone. I miss all the great posters who used to be on here. No point in listing them.

Those posters were people who didn’t come here just to throw rocks or complain. They came here to interact and converse. Sometimes even to debate in a little heated back and forth.

You actually used to be “sometimes” one of those posters. Yea you complained a little too much for my tastes but “sometimes” you had really interesting things to add here.

Anyway I guess the pressure of the Negotiating game and the purposeful stalling by the Company to get people anxious just got to be too much for you?

The embrace of greed really phucks people up IMO.

OMG. Are you kidding us weez? Your such a moron...

 

[swamt]

I loved my Mother very much but she also droned on and on and on incessantly. That was one of her most annoying qualities.

Who doesn’t know you and many others hate the Association (Ass as you call it) DUH.

I hate Broccoli too. So what.

The Ass ain’t going anywhere period so bashing it over and over just IMO undermines what we all REALLY want.



Dude who gives a rats ass how he treated you here. You don’t even freakin know each other. Hell no one knows who the hell you are here either.

If we were coworkers in the same gatehouse where there were ramifications for how we talked to each other do you think we would say even 1/4 of the chit to each other that we do here?

If we did (And we wouldn’t) the kids would have been dragging two old farts apart from each other in the Parking lot years ago.

F all the Trolls on here.

Oh and he was never gonna respond to you cause it was my advice to ignore you in the first place. And me C Blocking I knew would rattle you even more. (It’s all very psychological)



Holy crap you still can say nice things. Chit I’m in shock. Thank you.

AANOTOK I do wish you all the best. Seriously. (Dont tell 700 or any of my other handlers I said it though)

You bring your mother into this? Really weez?? How old are you man???

 

[swamt]

Why are TV's needed in the break rooms?

Never had them before now did we guys???

 

[swamt]

AMFA doesn’t have the money, the numbers or the Political connections to cause any harm to SWA. Now hoping on the bus with the TWU just amped up the octane in their gas tank something fierce. The TWU has far more money and John Samuelsen has made some pretty powerful (influential) friends over the years.

Beside the fact that you can’t cause any serious damage to any of these airlines any longer anyway. Essentially the public doesn’t really have any options depending on where they want to go with industry consolidation.

What can be done though is to damage the confidence of Wall Street that the people who are running the Airlines are the right choice and that maybe a change is in order?

There was ultimately no greater example of this than Jeff Smisek over at UAL. The Labor situation under his tenure was Nuclear Toxic. When he was removed and they brought in Oscar Munoz who began working with Labor and completing Negotiations you saw (And so did Wall Street) an Airline being transformed. Hiring Scott Kirby only added to the confidence level outside of that one Lottery idea glitch of his which he quickly reversed.

Parker and Kelly talk a good game but they I guess are dumber than they look if they don’t think the employees see right through them. Kelly though may not care at all about Labor relations at SWA anymore from what I see.

I still hold out hope for Parker?

Your a moron. AMFA is NOT trying to hurt SWA. Get a clue.

 

[WeAAsles]

Forums: Forums are made for discussing topics with like-minded people, but every once in a while, a troll will come in and start spewing negative words all over the place. If forum moderators don't ban them, other members will often respond and before you know it, the thread gets thrown completely off topic and becomes nothing but one big pointless argument.

https://www.lifewire.com/what-is-internet-trolling-3485891

 

[Tim Nelson]

Your a moron. AMFA is NOT trying to hurt SWA. Get a clue.

Why do you waste your time with him? He has never even stepped up in the union. He has no concept of negotiations and is equating jcba timeline negotiations with unions that are not involved in jcba talks.

 

[WeAAsles]

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[Kev3188]

It was really dispiriting to see the public meet this with a resounding yawn. I truly hope this time's different.

 

[Tim Nelson]

It was really dispiriting to see the public meet this with a resounding yawn. I truly hope this time's different.

the website was cheaply done and disconnected. Looks like someone just tossed this up. The twu local unions are spending close to $1 million on crap.
The public doesnt care. They fly on southwest and united which contract out tons more. The iam refused to get involved once again.

 

[B737 driver]

the website was cheaply done and disconnected. Looks like someone just tossed this up. The twu local unions are spending close to $1 million on crap.
The public doesnt care. They fly on southwest and united which contract out tons more. The iam refused to get involved once again.

It all about the price of the ticket. I guarantee AMFA is spending just as,much on lawsuits, now we will see how our negotiations go after pissing the company off, and our stock fell 5% today. AMFA has spent 3.5 million in legal fees for over the last 6 years, trying to secure a contract.