American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[ALUS78]

Dont try to over think it, buddy! You don't have the cranium capacity! Are you still trying to start your own union? What was the last one? GSW?? No body cares!!! You were a lousy organizer!!!

Difficult to organize lemmings to turn around and not go off the cliff like they have been programed.Stick with the ass and we are likely to still.be having this tit for tat 5 years from now

 

[ATD]

GP was a AmFA pusher when that did not work for him he tried twu that didn't work for him so he tried three times to hire as a manager at AA didn't work out for him either.
I have no confidence in him at all. Facts speak.
AA presented the best scope in the industry.
Yes it outsources facilities maintenance. I understand that but how are you going to fight that, with a mediator that is being told best in the industry and no one on payroll with loose job.
Talk is big but decisions need to be made that are not popular and do not grow TWU or IAM...
What am I fighting for...I would like to know.

 

[ALUS78]

So we are banking on CBS and letters from politicians, if that's the case then i'm sure we will have a contract in no time.

You have every right to accept that it takes 6 years to get a contract, I think it's unacceptable, it makes absolutly no sense to wait to vote on a proposal that will be the same in 6 years. It actually makes no difference if you are rich or poor, I have one vote and you have one vote and when you tally the votes the majority rules.

I am not here advocating to anyone which way they should vote, the reasons i would vote a certain way are personal, just like they are for you. What I am saying is its up to the membership as a whole to decide.

Well Petersons Isom coup story got us a quick section six Company didnt even inform the union now this.Company will probably take a few things off the table for this brilliant idea.You want a deal seems to me a lot looking for a buyout maybe they take that off.The union needs a contract a lot more than the company its important to remember that real important

 

[Deleted member 14439]

GP was a AmFA pusher when that did not work for him he tried twu that didn't work for him so he tried three times to hire as a manager at AA didn't work out for him either.
I have no confidence in him at all. Facts speak.
AA presented the best scope in the industry.
Yes it outsources facilities maintenance. I understand that but how are you going to fight that, with a mediator that is being told best in the industry and no one on payroll with loose job.
Talk is big but decisions need to be made that are not popular and do not grow TWU or IAM...
What am I fighting for...I would like to know.

Best scope in the industry? 50% of overhaul, 2200 jobs, gone. Double the line outsourcing, roughly 900 jobs gone. Sorry, that does not sound like "best scope in the industry" to me.

 

[MikeS]

Are you kidding me bro. I think 6 years is ridiculous. I think we’ve even grown past the time that this has gotten ridiculous too at 3 years.

But I’m also not interested in relenting anymore.

You know we’re not even asking for the Company to give us back our Pension and Retiree Medical after they’ve spent 11 Billion Dollars on wasted share repurchases so far (2 Billion more authorized BTW)

IMO we are not getting any of that stuff back and I don't think the company's offer is going to change, so why punish ourselves, we are losing out on pay and vacation and sick time and holidays and more 401k. I go back to my original question what do we have to make the company change their position??? Do you honestly believe that by just sitting and waiting the company is just going to have a change of heart and decide to give us what we want??

 

[MikeS]

Well Petersons Isom coup story got us a quick section six Company didnt even inform the union now this.Company will probably take a few things off the table for this brilliant idea.You want a deal seems to me a lot looking for a buyout maybe they take that off.The union needs a contract a lot more than the company its important to remember that real important

So tell me how do we get the company to move off their position??

I've asked this a few times and I get nothing bur CBS and Polititians letters. Is there anything else??

 

[Koolcat]

GP was a AmFA pusher when that did not work for him he tried twu that didn't work for him so he tried three times to hire as a manager at AA didn't work out for him either.
I have no confidence in him at all. Facts speak.
AA presented the best scope in the industry.
Yes it outsources facilities maintenance. I understand that but how are you going to fight that, with a mediator that is being told best in the industry and no one on payroll with loose job.
Talk is big but decisions need to be made that are not popular and do not grow TWU or IAM...
What am I fighting for...I would like to know.

Stop your cranium capacity is on overload, you're talking nonsense.

 

[WeAAsles]

GP was a AmFA pusher when that did not work for him he tried twu that didn't work for him so he tried three times to hire as a manager at AA didn't work out for him either.
I have no confidence in him at all.

I know he was a big time AMFA pusher. I’ve also noticed that it appears as if the TWU has made peace with AMFA. If you’ve read here enough years I’ve made this comment many times and I live by it, “Unions should not fight Unions”

As far as any Management ambitions he had in the past, that’s his business.

All I care about is what he’s doing for us all in his current job today.

Facts speak.
AA presented the best scope in the industry.
Yes it outsources facilities maintenance. I understand that but how are you going to fight that, with a mediator that is being told best in the industry and no one on payroll with loose job.
Talk is big but decisions need to be made that are not popular and do not grow TWU or IAM...
What am I fighting for...I would like to know.

AA certainly says that it’s offered the best Scope in the industry and maybe they have? All I want is to read that fine print from them that proves it’s true. Pretty much outsourcing all of Facilities Maintenance and all the other things doesn’t sound like it to me personally.

What are you fighting for? You are fighting for the future today just like someone in the past fought for you to be here and make the same choice they did.

Now honor the past that gave you your opportunity. You and I owe them something don’t you think?

 

[ALUS78]

So tell me how do we get the company to move off their position??

I've asked this a few times and I get nothing bur CBS and Polititians letters. Is there anything else??

I really dont know, perhaps getting rid of the executive committee would be a start to me they have been an embarrassment

 

[ALUS78]

Stop your cranium capacity is on overload, you're talking nonsense.

You okay with floating with the tide?

 

[ATD]

It is the best scope in the industry..
You should be asking your leaders to say it isn't..
I am to young for an early out. I just look at facts.
Our union has been lying to us since the ASSociation was created....
If we had any leaders with a brain this would have been done.

We will never get our pension unfrozen, I would like all the stuff we lost back. wake up folks it will never happen.
I have not seen a plan how to accomplish that. All I see and hear is we had it and want it back..
it sound like a kid throwing a tantrum...

 

[WeAAsles]

So tell me how do we get the company to move off their position??

I've asked this a few times and I get nothing bur CBS and Polititians letters. Is there anything else??

Were you a part of any of the protests staged all over the Country?

You know there are limits to what we can do unless you want to put your neck on the line and we can go all Anarchist.

Should we go with a little Anarchy?

 

[MikeS]

I really dont know, perhaps getting rid of the executive committee would be a start to me they have been an embarrassment

For me it doesn't matter anymore what I want, it's a matter of what I think we can get.I believe we have hit that wall in negotiations and it's time to vote. It's like buying a house or a car once you get the owner to there lowest price, that's it you either take it or find another car.

 

[WeAAsles]

It is the best scope in the industry..
You should be asking your leaders to say it isn't..

Maybe it’s the best Scope for YOU where YOU work? Can you say the same thing for others.

Oh and again it probably in Maintenance is better than the others. Some of the Scope for AMT’s out there is pretty damn chitty I think you would agree.

Our union has been lying to us since the ASSociation was created....

If we had any leaders with a brain this would have been done.

Yes Jim Little and Bobby Gless lied to all of us. Tell me something I don’t know. BTW where are those two now?

You mean if we had spineless sellouts for Leaders this would be done. Doesn’t that sound about right?

We will never get our pension unfrozen, I would like all the stuff we lost back. wake up folks it will never happen.

I have not seen a plan how to accomplish that. All I see and hear is we had it and want it back..
it sound like a kid throwing a tantrum...

No I don’t expect us to ever get our Pension back either. I’m just sad that it doesn’t piss you off enough that you don’t care if Corporate Greed takes even more from us.

You’ve been watching those plans in action. Maybe I should be asking you the same thing I asked Mike S.

You think we should get into a little bit of Anarchy mode? Shake things up a little?

 

[Koolcat]

IMO we are not getting any of that stuff back and I don't think the company's offer is going to change, so why punish ourselves, we are losing out on pay and vacation and sick time and holidays and more 401k. I go back to my original question what do we have to make the company change their position??? Do you honestly believe that by just sitting and waiting the company is just going to have a change of heart and decide to give us what we want??

You're losing out on nothing if your job is gone, what do you think scope is all about?