American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[Tim Nelson]

Working by the book is not a work action. Don’t know why people try to claim that it is. The problem with people not working by the book and taking shortcuts is because they want to get back to their card game, or the TV, or drinking coffee up in the terminal. Instead of actually doing the job the way the Company actually tells us and pays us to do it.

And I gave you the links to the CBS News reports and the letters from Politicians. Where do you think CBS got some of their information from in the first place.

FYI Airline Negotiations take a very long time today period. That’s it. People need to learn to accept that. We’re at officially 3 years and counting, SWA Mechanics are at 6 years and counting and it took UAL Mechanics over 5 years to get there deal.

And none of us would be counted as poor on any Government statistics that’s for sure.

And if people are struggling on what we make at TOS then they got some serious problems that aren’t going to be fixed because we get another couple of bucks an hour. Those people mostly dig their own holes.

a whole lotta bs. Working by the book is a job action, if it is done in concert for harm. A union has to be careful of even saying "Work Safe", if it is followed by a change in productivity.
Also, jcba do not take 5 years. Jcba talks usually take 1-2 years. We are already in exceptional territory.
The reason why is because the union took the money only.

 

[WeAAsles]

Probably because companies have decided that both are one and the same, and people have picked up on it?

Why do you REALLY think Company’s put all those TV’s in the break rooms?

The problem is if you’re going to work to rule then you need to be consistent for your entire career.

Can’t just do it because you want to try and strongarm for something.

And if you are consistent then over time the Company will adapt.

 

[Kev3188]

Why do you REALLY think Company’s put all those TV’s in the break rooms?

A whole host of reasons, none of which are in our best interests...

 

[ALUS78]

Not mental sir, just truthful. I know it hurts when the truth does come out, ask weez about that.
AMFA has learned from the NWA fiasco.
Even your carrier will NOT be able to strike, get a clue man. Yea anyone can call for a strike vote, but really, why waste the money to get a strike vote when the gov won't even allow it to happen? Helloooo!!


Tim, I too switch to M.A. at one point, but went back when the Ultra's went too high in prices. Now they have come back down in price as they were losing fans quickly.
BTW try new Michelob Ultra Gold. 85 calories 2.5 carbs. Bottles only where I live.


LOL


Listen GVPSPAM was his own demise.
weez you know I didn't report him, matter fact I don't think anyone did. I will say this, I received a PM from someone I trust very much, and he mentioned something about certain comments being made, so sounds like to me it was GVPSPAM, if he is in fact removed from the boards.
Guys, if you cross certain lines you will be removed, and I am sure you all know the lines not to cross, obviously GVPSPAM did not know...

Do you believe the guy though 25 years out of the business and still fighting like hell to give his opinion.The second someone says something to scratch his thin skin he gets personal, sounds like someone else i recently put on ignore

 

[B737 driver]

Why do you REALLY think Company’s put all those TV’s in the break rooms?

The problem is if you’re going to work to rule then you need to be consistent for your entire career.

Can’t just do it because you want to try and strongarm for something.

And if you are consistent then over time the Company will adapt.

That's my whole point Weazz. We can't say by the book, and you normally have 20 airplanes a day out of service, and suddenly you have 60 or more, and not consider it a job action. A judge would eat your union alive, and say when things aren't going well, suddenly you notice all these problems, when you didn't before. We all know how the game is played.

 

[WeAAsles]

That's my whole point Weazz. We can't say by the book, and you normally have 20 airplanes a day out of service, and suddenly you have 60 or more, and not consider it a job action. A judge would eat your union alive, and say when things aren't going well, suddenly you notice all these problems, when you didn't before. We all know how the game is played.

Unfortunately to get the Company to bargain fairly (Left up to the individuals interpretation) pressure sometimes needs to be applied to the business though.

There are still multiple legal ways to accomplish that task. They’re all a slow going process though and over time it causes there to be strained Employee relationships with the Employer.

AMFA and TWU joining together to try and raise the awareness they have is something I’m honestly glad to see. CBS is not an outlet that’s going to run a story unless they’ve done their due diligence to make sure it’s accurate reporting.

It’s a shame though that Company’s and Unions always seem to have to be locked in to adversarial positions with each other.

 

[Buck]

Why do you REALLY think Company’s put all those TV’s in the break rooms?

The problem is if you’re going to work to rule then you need to be consistent for your entire career.

Can’t just do it because you want to try and strongarm for something.

And if you are consistent then over time the Company will adapt.

Why are TV's needed in the break rooms?

 

[WeAAsles]

Why are TV's needed in the break rooms?

TV’s are the ultimate distraction. You don’t talk as much to each other so you can’t plot against the Company or figure out what’s really happening.

You also rush to get the work done (Something the Company loves) so you can get back inside and watch whatever game is playing.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Unfortunately to get the Company to bargain fairly (Left up to the individuals interpretation) pressure sometimes needs to be applied to the business though.

There are still multiple legal ways to accomplish that task. They’re all a slow going process though and over time it causes there to be strained Employee relationships with the Employer.

AMFA and TWU joining together to try and raise the awareness they have is something I’m honestly glad to see. CBS is not an outlet that’s going to run a story unless they’ve done their due diligence to make sure it’s accurate reporting.

It’s a shame though that Company’s and Unions always seem to have to be locked in to adversarial positions with each other.

No. Just stop this. There are not multiple ways. The reality is that
your handlers went for the money. Thats the bottom line and now there is NOTHING we can do.

 

[B737 driver]

Unfortunately to get the Company to bargain fairly (Left up to the individuals interpretation) pressure sometimes needs to be applied to the business though.

There are still multiple legal ways to accomplish that task. They’re all a slow going process though and over time it causes there to be strained Employee relationships with the Employer.

AMFA and TWU joining together to try and raise the awareness they have is something I’m honestly glad to see. CBS is not an outlet that’s going to run a story unless they’ve done their due diligence to make sure it’s accurate reporting.

It’s a shame though that Company’s and Unions always seem to have to be locked in to adversarial positions with each other.

Weazz I really believe though the industrial unions, knows what side their bread is buttered on. You get their attention, but you don't cause, so much damage, that you drive their customers away. I really question if AMFA understands that, or is hell bent on we want ours no matter what? So you tell me which union has your true interests at heart? I wish us all luck, since we are all in the same industry, ramp, or maintenance.

 

[ALUS78]

Why are TV's needed in the break rooms?

How much tv can you watch in two 15 minute breaks and a 30 minute lunch?

 

[WeAAsles]

Weazz I really believe though the industrial unions, knows what side their bread is buttered on. You get their attention, but you don't cause, so much damage, that you drive their customers away. I really question if AMFA understands that, or is hell bent on we want ours no matter what? So you tell me which union has your true interests at heart? I wish us all luck, since we are all in the same industry, ramp, or maintenance.

AMFA doesn’t have the money, the numbers or the Political connections to cause any harm to SWA. Now hoping on the bus with the TWU just amped up the octane in their gas tank something fierce. The TWU has far more money and John Samuelsen has made some pretty powerful (influential) friends over the years.

Beside the fact that you can’t cause any serious damage to any of these airlines any longer anyway. Essentially the public doesn’t really have any options depending on where they want to go with industry consolidation.

What can be done though is to damage the confidence of Wall Street that the people who are running the Airlines are the right choice and that maybe a change is in order?

There was ultimately no greater example of this than Jeff Smisek over at UAL. The Labor situation under his tenure was Nuclear Toxic. When he was removed and they brought in Oscar Munoz who began working with Labor and completing Negotiations you saw (And so did Wall Street) an Airline being transformed. Hiring Scott Kirby only added to the confidence level outside of that one Lottery idea glitch of his which he quickly reversed.

Parker and Kelly talk a good game but they I guess are dumber than they look if they don’t think the employees see right through them. Kelly though may not care at all about Labor relations at SWA anymore from what I see.

I still hold out hope for Parker?

 

[WeAAsles]

How much tv can you watch in two 15 minute breaks and a 30 minute lunch?

And even though this guy has me on ignore. Just this response alone tells me why I don’t want his Contract language anywhere near my house.

Always did read him saying how TWU in his city has too many people sitting around compared to the IAM side in LGA.

I feel sorry if he needs to go to the bathroom outside of those 2, 15 minute breaks and 30 minute lunch.

 

[WeAAsles]

AMFA doesn’t have the money, the numbers or the Political connections to cause any harm to SWA. Now hoping on the bus with the TWU just amped up the octane in their gas tank something fierce. The TWU has far more money and John Samuelsen has made some pretty powerful (influential) friends over the years.

Beside the fact that you can’t cause any serious damage to any of these airlines any longer anyway. Essentially the public doesn’t really have any options depending on where they want to go with industry consolidation.

What can be done though is to damage the confidence of Wall Street that the people who are running the Airlines are the right choice and that maybe a change is in order?

There was ultimately no greater example of this than Jeff Smisek over at UAL. The Labor situation under his tenure was Nuclear Toxic. When he was removed and they brought in Oscar Munoz who began working with Labor and completing Negotiations you saw (And so did Wall Street) an Airline being transformed. Hiring Scott Kirby only added to the confidence level outside of that one Lottery idea glitch of his which he quickly reversed.

Parker and Kelly talk a good game but they I guess are dumber than they look if they don’t think the employees see right through them. Kelly though may not care at all about Labor relations at SWA anymore from what I see.

I still hold out hope for Parker?

driver here check this out. September 28, 2015 is the date that Oscar Munoz took over as CEO of UAL. First check out the stock performance and where it stands today for UAL.

Now check out the performance of AA in the same period.

There can’t be any doubt even after the multiple Billions that AA Management is wasting on share buybacks that Wall Street has more confidence in the Business and Leadership at UAL over the same at AA.

Wall Street has bought shares in UAL since Sept 2015 and they have dumped shares of AA in the same period of time.

This is where the Association has their leverage. And the LAA Labor Groups, APA, APFA And TWU are focusing on the possible lack of confidence in the Leadership of Doug Parker on down.

 

[B737 driver]

AMFA doesn’t have the money, the numbers or the Political connections to cause any harm to SWA. Now hoping on the bus with the TWU just amped up the octane in their gas tank something fierce. The TWU has far more money and John Samuelsen has made some pretty powerful (influential) friends over the years.

Beside the fact that you can’t cause any serious damage to any of these airlines any longer anyway. Essentially the public doesn’t really have any options depending on where they want to go with industry consolidation.

What can be done though is to damage the confidence of Wall Street that the people who are running the Airlines are the right choice and that maybe a change is in order?

There was ultimately no greater example of this than Jeff Smisek over at UAL. The Labor situation under his tenure was Nuclear Toxic. When he was removed and they brought in Oscar Munoz who began working with Labor and completing Negotiations you saw (And so did Wall Street) an Airline being transformed. Hiring Scott Kirby only added to the confidence level outside of that one Lottery idea glitch of his which he quickly reversed.

Parker and Kelly talk a good game but they I guess are dumber than they look if they don’t think the employees see right through them. Kelly though may not care at all about Labor relations at SWA anymore from what I see.

I still hold out hope for Parker?

Kelly made the flight attendants and pilots happy. Most people were happy until our road shows happened.So it comes down what we can live with.