American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[CremaDiLimone]

well...the flight attendants union told us that the 2014 contract added $193 million of value per year to the prior contract.

the numbers are secret? the company has to release such info to shareholders. labor expense(s).

as far as $550 million per year for us - it's a guess. we were told that to get all twu members on lus/iam insurance, it would cost aa $24 million more per year. over 5 years, add $125 million to the value of our deal. when i talk about numbers, i would not include buyout money...isn't that also a special write-off, for the company? i could see aa trying to hoodwink the assoc. with such numbers, but i'd think they're smarter than that.

labor x capital and outlawing unions? like i said, it's the 1%ers & corporate america's dream. we aren't too far off from deep REM ecstasy for that lot.

 

[Rogallo]

At it again!!

 

[WeAAsles]

well...the flight attendants union told us that the 2014 contract added $193 million of value per year to the prior contract.

the numbers are secret? the company has to release such info to shareholders. labor expense(s).

as far as $550 million per year for us - it's a guess. we were told that to get all twu members on lus/iam insurance, it would cost aa $24 million more per year. over 5 years, add $125 million to the value of our deal. when i talk about numbers, i would not include buyout money...isn't that also a special write-off, for the company? i could see aa trying to hoodwink the assoc. with such numbers, but i'd think they're smarter than that.

labor x capital and outlawing unions? like i said, it's the 1%ers & corporate america's dream. we aren't too far off from deep REM ecstasy for that lot.

Yes but all those disclosures were put out after agreements were made. Right now any added cost to the Company is still a moving target. The Company would still I’m sure like our guys to accept less than what they have in their mind they are really willing to pay.

As much as people like to think otherwise there really isn’t an absolute number the Company tosses down and says this is the best you’re going to get. Sometimes you go to walk out of the Dealership and they come running out before you get into your old car and drive away. And yes sometimes they actually let you drive off.

It’s always the case of trying to figure out if you really hit their best numbers or not?

The Company (As Parker said) of course wants to add that cost for buyouts in. It is a lot of money, Parker wasn’t lying. But individually any buyout doesn’t add to yours or my economic value if we’re not going anywhere yet. And yes they are smarter than that. Hell it was CB or P. Rez who informed that that’s what the Company was looking for in the first place.

BTW late breaking news involving Unions. Unfortunately it’s a never ending tug of War.

https://m.govexec.com/management/20...ing-federal-employee-union-bargaining/150813/

 

[WeAAsles]

BTW Crema I’m sure when this is all over the Association will inform us how much yearly economic value was captured from AA.

What I would really like is AA to add a link on Jetnet/Workbrain that can tell me exactly what “MY” total Compensation package from the Company is worth yearly?

Old LAA did it once when they wanted to make sure we voted yes in the Bankruptcy by telling us how much we were getting back from our Retiree Medical Prefunding accounts.

 

[B737 driver]

BTW Crema I’m sure when this is all over the Association will inform us how much yearly economic value was captured from AA.

What I would really like is AA to add a link on Jetnet/Workbrain that can tell me exactly what “MY” total Compensation package from the Company is worth yearly?

Old LAA did it once when they wanted to make sure we voted yes in the Bankruptcy by telling us how much we were getting back from our Retiree Medical Prefunding accounts.

In your opinion, what time frame are you guys looking at to a deal 18 months for fleet? If the AMT card drive dies out, 2 years for them for T/A?

 

[WeAAsles]

In your opinion, what time frame are you guys looking at to a deal 18 months for fleet? If the AMT card drive dies out, 2 years for them for T/A?

driver seriously who knows? If they’re now mentioning wages you’d like to think that they’re coming close to the finish line?

For Fleet how I see the last update was the Company said we can keep all our current work in the 40 Stations already held but before they agree to that as a certainty they want to secure the pretty much FINAL pieces of the puzzle, Medical costs and Wages. (Didn’t read Retirement mentioned)

Can things go South? Sure. But it sounds awfully close to me and certainly not another lol 18 Months.

I expect (GUESS) Maintenance and especially Related Scope is still the hardest target to hit?

Again who knows for sure if the “Official” updates are going to continue to be somewhat vague and ambiguous. Pretty much why I’m paying more attention to other more filling in the blanks sources now. (Obviously in the know sources)

 

[WeAAsles]

In your opinion, what time frame are you guys looking at to a deal 18 months for fleet? If the AMT card drive dies out, 2 years for them for T/A?

BTW driver seriously here as well. The Card Drive is DOA already. Even Rogallo on the other thread basically admitted it when he said these things have lulls in movement.

BUT BUT BUT if anything it “should” encourage the Association to flesh out their updates just a little better than they do currently.

The Association should pay attention to what is the motivation behind these things in the first place.

 

[B737 driver]

BTW driver seriously here as well. The Card Drive is DOA already. Even Rogallo on the other thread basically admitted it when he said these things have lulls in movement.

BUT BUT BUT if anything it “should” encourage the Association to flesh out their updates just a little better than they do currently.

The Association should pay attention to what is the motivation behind these things in the first place.

Well sounds like fleet could be done in 6 months. Who knows about maintenance?

 

[Timid Weak Union]

BTW driver seriously here as well. The Card Drive is DOA already. Even Rogallo on the other thread basically admitted it when he said these things have lulls in movement.

BUT BUT BUT if anything it “should” encourage the Association to flesh out their updates just a little better than they do currently.

The Association should pay attention to what is the motivation behind these things in the first place.

Weasle,,,,,,,,,,,,can not wait to feed you some crow and finally say GTFO fleet.....!!!

 

[WeAAsles]

Weasle,,,,,,,,,,,,can not wait to feed you some crow and finally say GTFO fleet.....!!!

Starving to death is probably a horrible way to die. I think I’ll go eat some Pork chops.

 

[Steve Walegir]

Remember everyone the aip is 2 weeks away. Or so says the guy who can't even vote whenever it does come out.

 

[Tim Nelson]

I agree people can believe what they want. But what everyone has to realize is that scope and insurance are the two main issues. But scope by far is the biggest. What the company is obviously doing and saying is that they are not willing to move off their position on scope until the insurance, and a few other things are finalized.
It’s all cost out in negotiations. The company has a set dollar amount they want to achieve. If they give more than they want say in scope, then they have to stand firm on the other issues to meet their dollar amount. The war starts when both sides refuse to move off their set dollar amounts. The company has a set amount. They don’t care how we slice it up, they just don’t want us going over that amount. The key is to get the company to move off of that set amount.

i think everyone knows quite well that the company is the party of no.

I think the majority of workers are disappointed with the cryptic and unprofessional updates.

As far as negotiations, imo, we should focus on those being represented today and not the unborn. You seemed to indicate that the company was fine with the current work at 40 stations but we wouldnt get iah etc from their perspective. That shouldnt be a deal breaker. Although according to the update, the company didnt scope in all current work.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Remember everyone the aip is 2 weeks away. Or so says the guy who can't even vote whenever it does come out.

About two weeks. You must have missed the official video? Good Grief!

 

[aintgotnotimefodat]

Again the “rumor” is that our Value Medical plans which is the non contractual top tier LAA plans will be going up by 11%. That means the Family Plan will be going up by over $60 per month for a total of over $700.00 per month before any Deductibles.

It’s possible the Company is trying to slowly cost us out of those better plans and into more substandard plans?

Possible???...wake up...the value plan which is the best coverall plan has been going thru the roof while they keep pushing the core plan...which costs them the least...

 

[charlie Brown]

i think everyone knows quite well that the company is the party of no.

I think the majority of workers are disappointed with the cryptic and unprofessional updates.

As far as negotiations, imo, we should focus on those being represented today and not the unborn. You seemed to indicate that the company was fine with the current work at 40 stations but we wouldnt get iah etc from their perspective. That shouldnt be a deal breaker. Although according to the update, the company didnt scope in all current work.

No I never seemed to indicate the company was fine with the current work at 40 stations.
You must have misread.