American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[swamt]

Remember everyone the aip is 2 weeks away. Or so says the guy who can't even vote whenever it does come out.

The guy has also been saying 2 weeks for the last week already. Now it's down to a week. So according to him after this next week you guys will have an AIP/T/A. Right it down boys, just one more week.

 

[B737 driver]

The guy has also been saying 2 weeks for the last week already. Now it's down to a week. So according to him after this next week you guys will have an AIP/T/A. Right it down boys, just one more week.

I don't think you have much room to talk, even though you have me on ignore. We took six months from an AIP, that you claim in your post our Union needed to get right. To have a T/A vote. We are also past 6 years. And it might be shot down, if it is , we are looking at year 7. So we are definitely not batting 1000 , over here in SWA land.

 

[Steve Walegir]

About two weeks. You must have missed the official video? Good Grief!

About this time a year from now you'll be saying the exact same thing

 

[Matt1200]

I was wondering if we don’t have a contract before October and we sign up for our insurance for next year can the company change our insurance? October is when we have our insurance enrollment.

 

[MetalMover]

I was wondering if we don’t have a contract before October and we sign up for our insurance for next year can the company change our insurance? October is when we have our insurance enrollment.

Even if we were to get a T/A tomorrow, there is no way we would get a contract voted on before we start choosing our medical. Unless a vote was taken over a few days instead of the usual month.

So the LUS IAM folks could breathe easy for another year.

 

[WeAAsles]

Even if we were to get a T/A tomorrow, there is no way we would get a contract voted on before we start choosing our medical. Unless a vote was taken over a few days instead of the usual month.

So the LUS IAM folks could breathe easy for another year.

The Company telegraphed their intent to not change the IAM Medical until 2020 all the way back in March if you watched their video. Besides this could be more of the reason the Company is “trying” to get people out of these better plans.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...in-win-delay-for-obamacares-cadillac-tax/amp/

BTW Metal I can’t wait till those new LAA rates come out publicly and then maybe more people will begin to support paying better rates than what we pay now?

 

[Deleted member 14439]

Even if we were to get a T/A tomorrow, there is no way we would get a contract voted on before we start choosing our medical. Unless a vote was taken over a few days instead of the usual month.

So the LUS IAM folks could breathe easy for another year.

Yep. LUS keeps their medical another year. LAA continues to take it in the shorts. We will get them next time, right fellas?

 

[swamt]

Yep. LUS keeps their medical another year. LAA continues to take it in the shorts. We will get them next time, right fellas?

That's right. Divide and conquer with this asso. at the helm. The company is just loving it. Hence why everything just got yanked right off the table that was previously agreed to in scope.
Send those cards in...

 

[WeAAsles]

Yep. LUS keeps their medical another year. LAA continues to take it in the shorts. We will get them next time, right fellas?

Should Peterson, Danker and Reeves maybe accept the Scope hits that the Company has asked for which mostly hit the TWU side of the Association so “maybe” an exchange could be made for lower Medical insurance rates for all left over Maintenance personnel?

Do you have a solution to this particular situation?

 

[ALUS78]

that's fairly rich from mr. glass.

if there were no unions to negotiate against...mr. glass would have no work. if union members didn't have an astonishingly huge piece of candy to take away during contract talks...would mr. glass be a door greeter at wal-mart?

like sean hannity. hates unions. unions destroy the usa. union members are economic terrorists.

and this a$$hole uses an agent to negotiate tens of millions for himself.

union - negotiates for the collective.
agent - negotiates for one client.

hypocrite.

Maybe he means he doesn't have 5 agents standing around while 1 does the work.I wonder what his "agent's" work rules look like

 

[CremaDiLimone]

BTW Crema I’m sure when this is all over the Association will inform us how much yearly economic value was captured from AA.

What I would really like is AA to add a link on Jetnet/Workbrain that can tell me exactly what “MY” total Compensation package from the Company is worth yearly?

Old LAA did it once when they wanted to make sure we voted yes in the Bankruptcy by telling us how much we were getting back from our Retiree Medical Prefunding accounts.

by breaking down the numbers, we will be able to see exactly what percentages of revenue & income come to us...compared to dl/ua and even southwest, if they are used as a measuring stick.

 

[ALUS78]

i believe we all agree on that. cutting different size slices of a pie that never expands has been discussed..including theorizing the lus/insurance in exchange for a bigger pie (an additional cookie or two for lus).

the issue here is how to get aa to expand the pie:

- increased profits? parker has bragged about aa's finances going forward. they aren't obliged to expand our pie due to aa's self-perceived brighter financial future...and i don't believe they are generous enough to do so.

- labor strife? well, the idea alone can be considered a job action in today's world. here, i don't see us nowhere near organized enough at the lowest level(s) and a key conduit, crew chiefs; many are 'heroes' and a few others don't wish to jeopardize their jobs/benefits of handshake agreements (overtime) with management by 'going by the book'.

the AMTs are key. the AMTs scare the company by their ability of delaying flights/putting planes out of service. it's my belief and others, that the AMTs were the tipping point for our august 2016 raises.

in that sense, fleet does ride their coat tails and the assoc. needs the AMTs more than the AMTs need us.

so, be nice and make nice with aircraft maintenance.

Maybe that's why the company wants to get rid of so many of them.Creme any percieved work action.slow down in the name of safety would be met with an injunction so fast the association's head would spin like a top.Ask AA pilots how that works

 

[CremaDiLimone]

Maybe he means he doesn't have 5 agents standing around while 1 does the work.I wonder what his "agent's" work rules look like

i don't argue the gist of your post. to me, that's mr. glass reminding aa management to run an actual company.

i consider fleet the children, the c/c is the babysitter and management are the parents.

would you allow the babysitter to discipline your kids?

- i also saw your post in jetnet. you can't remove your us air blood. you are captain us air.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

Maybe that's why the company wants to get rid of so many of them.Creme any percieved work action.slow down in the name of safety would be met with an injunction so fast the association's head would spin like a top.Ask AA pilots how that works

i agree, but that is the beauty of AMT work...they have that kind of power. i'm sure that these guys double-triple check before delaying a flight or even cancelling for a mechanical.

the company knows this...no secret. you can be angry, but you have to be professional when taking those steps.

 

[Timid Weak Union]

Starving to death is probably a horrible way to die. I think I’ll go eat some Pork chops.

Weasel reported me...……..haha...…...from his mom's basement while he was petting his cats...…what a low life!!