ALPA/USAPA/Pilot Labor Thread for the week 4/12-4/19

[Career Reserve]

What job?

They were not employees of US Airways. The were former employees with rights of recall to once again become employed by US Airways at the time their services would be needed.

Wrong again. They were still under the US Airways Certificate.

 

[EastUS]

Look, what's done is done.

It indeed IS `

Buh-Bye Alpo-Boy

 

[FlightChic]

I still can't believe that you think a person who did not even have a job at US Airways at the time of merger should jump ahead of so many employees who were working for the airline.

Honey, it's ALL about Date of Hire for US Airways. It's not their fault they were furloughed! Have you ever been furloughed? Do you know what it is like to lose your job through no fault of your own? I was furloughed for 4.5 years. So I guess you think I should go to the bottom of the f/a list even though I already had in a couple of years of flying. Seniority should based on initial DOH! Period! They aren't new hires and they aren't jumping ahead! Their jobs were cut for a while and now they are back. In any case, DOH prevails. It is fair and they shouldn't be punished. You just don't get how it works. Many of our pilots even worked for Midatlantic which was part of US Airways. You haven't caught on yet so let me just spell it out for you: US Airways is and always has been all about seniority. It's more sacred than the holy grail. You don't mess with our seniority or you will be toast! You don't threaten our seniority or we will put up a fight and we will win! Seniority Rules on the East! You seriously have no idea. Welcome to the "new" US Airways. Fasten your seatbelt because it's going to be a bumpy ride.

Furlough 101: Even while you are furloughed you are still considered an employee. You may be inactive but you are still in the books. You remain an employee until you officially resign from the company.

 

[b737fo]

Wrong again. They were still under the US Airways Certificate.

Uhhhh.....

How could they be under the US Airways Certificate if some chose to work other places? I knew a few at Emirates, NetJets and even some who came to work for AWA.

 

[AAA73Pilot]

Now that US Airways has "blazed the trail", I wonder what airline will be next to boot ALPA? If they're smart, they ALL will!

Just left a get together with the officers and Seham. It would seem no less than 5 ALPA carriers have contacted him about starting decert drives. I would imagine the midnight oil will be burning in Herndon tonight.

 

[767jetz]

Will you then publicly retract all the scurrilous comments you have made about east pilots and apologize to all the US pilots for attempting to be divisive and sabotage any kind of solution?

Only if your solution shares every additional bit of flying and airframes (ie: growth) that came after the merger, all upgrades are also share to reflect West attrition, and (here's the big one...) not one furloughed pilot (not actively flying for USAirways on the merger date) goes ahead of one AWA pilot who was flying the day before the merger date. Not now, not in a future economic down turn, and not in upgrades.

Then... maybe. But I doubt it because your only plan ever was DOH, and DOH with restrictions can't cover those bases. Hence, this is still a fight between East and West. The East still does not occupy any moral high ground, and the West still will not submit to your will. The only thing that will matter from this point forward is what can be won in court and what can be enforced by law. USAPA has a very tough road ahead.

 

[Career Reserve]

Uhhhh.....

How could they be under the US Airways Certificate if some chose to work other places? I knew a few at Emirates, NetJets and even some who came to work for AWA.

I am speaking of Mid Atlantic.

 

[AAA73Pilot]

Who wants to estimate when the first legal filing is made? I say 3-4 weeks from now we will see something on a docket somewhere.

Totally expected. Knock yourself out if you want to, it still won't change the vote. BTW The NMB ruled later today that challenges to the vote will not be accepted due to the margin. So what are you going to file for?

 

[767jetz]

Buh-Bye Alpo-Boy

Don't worry East. Dry your eyes. I'm not going anywhere.

 

[EastUS]

Don't worry East. Dry your eyes. I'm not going anywhere.

Whew!..that's a huge relief..and here I'd thought that I might have gotten this new fly-swatter for nothing

 

[oldiebutgoody]

Only if your solution shares every additional bit of flying and airframes (ie: growth) that came after the merger, all upgrades are also share to reflect West attrition, and (here's the big one...) not one furloughed pilot (not actively flying for USAirways on the merger date) goes ahead of one AWA pilot who was flying the day before the merger date. Not now, not in a future economic down turn, and not in upgrades.

Then... maybe. But I doubt it because your only plan ever was DOH, and DOH with restrictions can't cover those bases. Hence, this is still a fight between East and West. The East still does not occupy any moral high ground, and the West still will not submit to your will. The only thing that will matter from this point forward is what can be won in court and what can be enforced by law. USAPA has a very tough road ahead.

Only a selfish FOOL believes that furloughees should not get the credit they're due for their services to the company. That's why ALPA failed. Apparently that's your position, as well. I hope that one day in YOUR career you get the opportunity to share a "furlough experience" with your friends and family, then have your OWN UNION tell you that your time-in-service was not worth protecting. THERE'S NO REASON SOMEONE WITH SERVICE SHOULDN'T GET CREDIT! Your selfish atttude is WRONG and if you don't get it, I hope you soon will. Those same folks you mentioned that were furloughed at US and went to work at AWA were placed in the list ahead of folks more than 15 years senior to them at US. THAT'S STUPID and now it will be corrected.

 

[oldiebutgoody]

Don't worry East. Dry your eyes. I'm not going anywhere.

Worst news I've gotten all day!

 

[oldiebutgoody]

I hope they get the board back up at the USAPA site so that we don't have to read the ALPA drivel any more.

 

[EastUS]

Only a selfish FOOL

Carefull comrade..you've just described the Alpo "Party Line" in totalis

speaking of parties...it's time Have a good one all

 

[AAA73Pilot]

Probably the first call at USAPA HQ tomorrow will be from a NW pilot.

Try this afternoon congratulating us. Not bad huh?