Alpa Provides Proposal To Management

[USFlyer]

Finally, there is reason to believe the company is preparing for a pre-packaged Chapter 11 bankruptcy filing, which will keep the ATSB funds intact, not require DIP financing, and provide a POR within 180 days.

I'm hearing this as well from my sources associated with US. Another round thru Chapter 11 is almost a certainty.

 

[Bear96]

I hardly think you need secret "sources" to predict that.

 

[Winglet]

Maybe this round of discussions with the company is just a "softening up" process by Lakefield . . . . . to be followed by the "real" ultimatum:

1. HP flat hourly rate for all aircraft regardless of size
2. 75% seniority cut
3. Retirement gone
4. Self-funded 401k
5. No scope
6. No furlough restrictions
7. FAA hours
8. Everyone avail 21 days a month, but un-written promises by Mr. Lakefield not to abuse it.

"Gotta have it, boys, or the companies going under. Let us get back up to speed and we'll be a real powerhouse on the east coast. Once that happens the company will take a look at opening contract talks early. I know it's painful, but if you give it some time we'll fix everything."

 

[ktflyhome]

BULL CRAP!!!!!!! I have lost every ounce of faith I ever had with this company. Now, if they want to make me a "pinky" promise, I might believe them. <_<

 

[firstamendment]

BULL CRAP!!!!!!! I have lost every ounce of faith I ever had with this company. Now, if they want to make me a "pinky" promise, I might believe them. <_<

What would that be? Just curious.

 

[usairways_vote_NO]

Finally, there is reason to believe the company is preparing for a pre-packaged Chapter 11 bankruptcy filing, which will keep the ATSB funds intact, not require DIP financing, and provide a POR within 180 days.

reason to believe hmm wonder what reason that is?

 

[ktflyhome]

What would that be? Just curious.

Ever since my granddaughter was born I never made a promise to her, that I knew full well I couldn't keep. So, when I promise her something, we make a "pinky" promise. We link our pinky fingers together. Hence "pinky promise". This is a set in stone promise and I vow to follow through. It has guaranteed trust, faith, consistancy and integrity and above all Love. 🙂

 

[funguy2]

The new business plan increases current aircraft productivity by 15% per day (10 to 11.5 hours per day), adds 37 new aircraft to a minimum fleet of 320 jets starting in 2005, and the pilot group will have about 250 to 350 people leave the company per year due to retirements and other attrition.

I thought the minimum number of aircraft in the fleet is 279?

And you are saying it will be 357 (320+37)?

Or are you saying 37 is added to 279 for a total of 316?

Do these numbers include MidAtlantic??

And, I guess, the matter of actually financing new airplanes, is somebody else's job... But indications are that UAIR cannot afford more airplanes.

 

[usairways_vote_NO]

I promise her something, we make a "pinky" promise.

sounds better then pinky swear

 

[N628AU]

ALPA presented a serious offer to the company, and they have acknowledged that fact to the Negotiating Committee. The MEC engaged in good faith bargaining, and now it's time for the company to engage in good faith bargaining too.

Interesting. So are you saying the company is not negotiating in good faith? Seems like an about face by you again. When the company arbitrarily sent the Airbus overhaul to AL, then lied about how many aircraft would go, and offered all furloughed workers a job at MDA, your message was "get on board or become collateral damage" to all the other work groups. But now mighty ALPA is negotiating in good faith, but the company isn't? What a load.

 

[usairways_vote_NO]

Just one more point...

The pay cut proposal will reduce US Airways' pilot pay rates below America West pay rates, and increase the pay cap to the highest level of any legacy carrier.

Why is the pay cut so big? Because the pilots want their DC Plan left untouched and no more pilot furloughs.

ALPA presented a serious offer to the company, and they have acknowledged that fact to the Negotiating Committee. The MEC engaged in good faith bargaining, and now it's time for the company to engage in good faith bargaining too.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

Mr USA320Pilot

And what if the company does not step up and bargain in good faith with ALPA? Do you give in or shut em down? huh? Please tell us oh almighty one.

You sure didn't have any problems telling other groups to take what company gives.

What about when company broke IAM's contract you didn't have any problem telling IAM to just give up heavy maintenance. You didn't give a rats that the company wasn't bargaining at all and just taking.

Hypocritical to the max.

Do unto others as long a you don't do unto me.

 

[Winglet]

Could save a lot of money if top scale of pilot pay was $90k for Capts and $70 for FOs and a 401k for retirement. I guess it depends on whose pocket is getting picked and for how much as to whether or not one should "be realistic."

 

[Phoenix]

Light Years,

Wouldn't that be like starting yet another "B" scale? I don't like the idea of selling out our junior people. I'd have to go for all folks on the seniority list at DOS keep pensions and benefits.

On the other hand, at least people hiring on would know up front what the deal was and be able to make a more informed choice of signing on. It wouldn't stop them from complaining about it, though.

Dea

In your first paragraph I thought you would make a good candidate as a Pilot MEC member, even chairman!

Then I read your second paragraph and realized you would make a good Pilot MEC member, especially the chairman.

 

[Dea Certe]

Phoenix,

I'm not sure, was that a compliment or an insult?

It is such a double-edged sword, the whole "B" scale plan. It can be good in that it may preserve the pay and jobs on the property now.

But then, it sets a lower standard for the future. The quality of employee may be less and you end up with a bunch of chronic mal-contents whose bad attitudes rub off on everyone else. They may not be as movitated to take care of the product.

But then, maybe you end up with a higher turn-over rate that increases training costs.

Or, you end up with a higher cost senior employee. Pension costs, higher medical costs.

I'm not sure what would be best, in our circumstances. I think it's morally wrong to take away pensions of people who have dedicated their lives to a company, only to have rug pulled out from under them at a time they aren't able to make it up.

I also think it's morally wrong to beggar the new-hires. Everyone has to eat. Pilots and AMT's spend small fortunes to get their tickets. FA's and CS people deal with the customer face to face daily under very stressful conditions. They can make all the difference in the world to maintaining the customer base.

Good employees cost money. Good employees also increase revenue.

Tough call.

 

[wench]

Dea, I had to chuckle at your first comments....so true!