Aircraft maint issues

[WeAAsles]

GP on INT staff is a paid position and with pension benefits after 5 years.
I told you so Weasy..
So the guy who applied for AA management job three times and always put down Don V, Bobby and Little now following the same footsteps.
He is an opportunist nothing more.
And I did not get to vote for him in that position..
I stand by all of my negative post on GP.
And WEASY I have never been in the ATD.

Well I met the man personally only one time when he was here in MIA and we chatted for about 30 minutes with my 568 President (The Outcast) watching from a table nearby. He was personable and left a good first impression with me. Never met Bobby G and Don V only once also for a few minutes walking. Met Jim L 3 times and never had a problem with him either. I’ve even said both good and bad things about Jim L.

As far as GP maybe you know him far better than I do. And yea I knew about his appointment and kept my yap shut. They wanted the announcement to come out yesterday and of course that’s the courteous thing to comply.

Who would you prefer had been chosen ATD? Curious? Were you a Bobby G and Don V supporter?

 

[swamt]

You don't want anywhere near a Teamsters pension plan, trust me, and I was a Teamster!!!

Never said I did. ONLY pointing out that the teamsters never come thru with their promises when they were guaranteeing that they would get the UAL guys into the teamsters pension if they were to vote them in. To this day the teamsters have NOT come thru with ONE single item promised or guaranteed to them if they were to vote the teamsters in, not ONE, just go ask a United mechanic.

 

[WeAAsles]

Never said I did. ONLY pointing out that the teamsters never come thru with their promises when they were guaranteeing that they would get the UAL guys into the teamsters pension if they were to vote them in. To this day the teamsters have NOT come thru with ONE single item promised or guaranteed to them if they were to vote the teamsters in, not ONE, just go ask a United mechanic.

Don’t they also make about $6.00 per hour more than you and have 12 AMT’s per Aircraft?

I’m not a fan of the IBT myself but I mean seriously bro. Who you trying to kid?

And yea I also think they actually PASSED a Contract just last year. And you? Oops.

 

[B737 driver]

Don’t they also make about $6.00 per hour more than you and have 12 AMT’s per Aircraft?

I’m not a fan of the IBT myself but I mean seriously bro. Who you trying to kid?

And yea I also think they actually PASSED a Contract just last year. And you? Oops.

No argument there Wezz , just saying, and Swamt keep your own retirement plan, not trying to start an argument, you and me are good.

 

[WeAAsles]

No argument there Wezz , just saying, and Swamt keep your own retirement plan, not trying to start an argument, you and me are good.

driver again how many AMT’s does SWA Employ per Aircraft? Swamt has excruciating nerve to put other Unions down when his is NOT producing.

 

[AA89]

There’s more to a contract than pay and AMTs per aircraft, especially SWA vs the legacy carriers is like apples to oranges. I’d rather see a comparison of AMTs to Available Seat Miles as a seat is what generates revenue.

 

[AA89]

I believe that is still in progress. Basically there will not be a reduction in the work force but jobs and/or the type of work can change.
A key factor would be the requirement of having your A&P to work the aircraft and the engines. The 80 were OSM's I believe.
There are two types of mechanic in the OSM shops, the OSM with a License and an OSM without a License. The outsoucing percentage could be a reason for the movement to the Hangars by Licensed OSM's.

Thanks Buck. I hope Tulsa can hang on to the shops. As DVLHog said, it appears the 3 at DWH are going bye bye. Not sure what will happen to the unlicensed OSMs but Im sure they will come to the floor with the few there now.
I think most, if not all, of the 80 upgrades from the shops to the hangar at Tulsa were the AMTs bumped from TAESL 2 years ago. Hopefully the company will recall the ones they bumped to the street.

 

[Go Figure]

Never said I did. ONLY pointing out that the teamsters never come thru with their promises when they were guaranteeing that they would get the UAL guys into the teamsters pension if they were to vote them in. To this day the teamsters have NOT come thru with ONE single item promised or guaranteed to them if they were to vote the teamsters in, not ONE, just go ask a United mechanic.

For a guy that does not work under the UAL cba or for the companies it is amazing you know everything about it. Since the merger announced in early 2010 negotiated and ratified 3 independent cba- s-cal, s-Ual and s- cal Micronesia. Continued next step and Negotiated amalgamated agreement and combined all 3 December 2016 covering close to 10k employees. Not gonna argue with an uninformed idiot!!! Gonna just have to get down to their level!! By the way what talks are scheduled at SWA? How are the Federal lawsuit litigations working working out????? Results speak volumes!!! As always- Go Figure.

 

[WeAAsles]

There’s more to a contract than pay and AMTs per aircraft, especially SWA vs the legacy carriers is like apples to oranges. I’d rather see a comparison of AMTs to Available Seat Miles as a seat is what generates revenue.

And I’d like to read just once when people try and run around comparing all the different Unions, they compare the historical financials of the Airlines they’re wanting to compare to instead of the historical BS.

Available Seat Mile is irrelevant to Revenue per Available Seat Mile and everyone here is smart enough to know that.

SWA only missed turning a profit one quarter in their entire history. But also no despite all the reasons SWA does NOT employ many AMT’s. They don’t period.

 

[WeAAsles]

For a guy that does not work under the UAL cba or for the companies it is amazing you know everything about it. Since the merger announced in early 2010 negotiated and ratified 3 independent cba- s-cal, s-Ual and s- cal Micronesia. Continued next step and Negotiated amalgamated agreement and combined all 3 December 2016 covering close to 10k employees. Not gonna argue with an uninformed idiot!!! Gonna just have to get down to their level!! By the way what talks are scheduled at SWA? How are the Federal lawsuit litigations working working out????? Results speak volumes!!! As always- Go Figure.

I like this and it’s something that should be repeated into swamt’s ears.


“For a guy that does not work under the UAL cba or for the companies it is amazing you know everything about it. Since the merger announced in early 2010 negotiated and ratified 3 independent cba- s-cal, s-Ual and s- cal Micronesia. Continued next step and Negotiated amalgamated agreement and combined all 3 December 2016 covering close to 10k employees. Not gonna argue with an uninformed idiot!!! Gonna just have to get down to their level!! By the way what talks are scheduled at SWA? How are the Federal lawsuit litigations working working out????? Results speak volumes!!! As always- Go Figure.”

 

[AA89]

And I’d like to read just once when people try and run around comparing all the different Unions, they compare the historical financials of the Airlines they’re wanting to compare to instead of the historical BS.

Available Seat Mile is irrelevant to Revenue per Available Seat Mile and everyone here is smart enough to know that.

SWA only missed turning a profit one quarter in their entire history. But also no despite all the reasons SWA does NOT employ many AMT’s. They don’t period.

Yes. RASM is relevant but you were trying to compare SWA to legacy carriers that fly different routes with larger aircraft. You can’t make that straight up comparison and everyone here knows that. Except maybe 2 or 3.
I guess I should have just said “Your graph is 4 months old” and that would have settled it.

 

[B737 driver]

driver again how many AMT’s does SWA Employ per Aircraft? Swamt has excruciating nerve to put other Unions down when his is NOT producing.

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We are like at 3.1 mechanics, with are LOA at 2 75, we hear the same thing as you trust us on the work. So they don't want to give the store away, but time is not on your side as you know people become apathetic. I have been here long enough, where I am good, but I don't want to screw a junior guy, by being greedy. Nor do I want to wait forever either.

 

[Go Figure]

Don’t they also make about $6.00 per hour more than you and have 12 AMT’s per Aircraft?

I’m not a fan of the IBT myself but I mean seriously bro. Who you trying to kid?

And yea I also think they actually PASSED a Contract just last year. And you? Oops.

Yes. Also add$1.20 hour for HRA - Veba account. S- Ual employees were brought in to the s- cal carp retirement plan. Unheard of in this day. Not just about pay scale but whole deal in its entirety. Best field trip language in industry and much more. Continuing to hire off street and many that were laid off coming back that were out prior to Teamsters coming in and picking up the pieces that were left to them. As always- Go Figure.

 

[WeAAsles]

Yes. RASM is relevant but you were trying to compare SWA to legacy carriers that fly different routes with larger aircraft. You can’t make that straight up comparison and everyone here knows that. Except maybe 2 or 3.
I guess I should have just said “Your graph is 4 months old” and that would have settled it.

Actually that graph is even older than that cause at the bottom it says 2015 numbers. That was from what dvlhog put up the other day. IBT info.

And of course SWA has a different business model. But we all filled out applications for AA and US didn’t we. And I wouldn’t change my choice 22 years ago anyway. It is what it is.

 

[WeAAsles]

We are like at 3.1 mechanics, with are LOA at 2 75, we hear the same thing as you trust us on the work. So they don't want to give the store away, but time is not on your side as you know people become apathetic. I have been here long enough, where I am good, but I don't want to screw a junior guy, by being greedy. Nor do I want to wait forever either.

Now for a moment there you sounded like the old driver I know and like.

“Nor do I want to wait forever either”

I DO have a date where even my patience with the Association would be tested. 5 years since the start of Negotiations would have passed that date and then some.