Aircraft maint issues

[B737 driver]

And your getting two billion dollars into your frozen pension while my pension was terminated and turned over to the PBGC and your have gotten and going to get more equity, good for you all, but you dont see us LUS harping about it.

You are still under your chapter 11 CBA, we finally got out first Section 6 CBA in 2014, last one before that was 1999.

So you guys at US Air gained your wages back in 2014. Which you lost in what 2002? American finally gained their wages back, since their cutbacks in 2003, in this last raise that Parker gave. If you guys wouldn't have merged with American, would you gained these raises or not?

 

[WeAAsles]

So you guys at US Air gained your wages back in 2014. Which you lost in what 2002? American finally gained their wages back, since their cutbacks in 2003, in this last raise that Parker gave. If you guys wouldn't have merged with American, would you gained these raises or not?

Without the merger neither side would be earning the wages they are currently period. And I also doubt Delta or UAL would be either.

Without the merger the Industry would still be fragmented and would not be killing the profits the way they are now.

 

[SkydrolJunkie]

So you guys at US Air gained your wages back in 2014. Which you lost in what 2002? American finally gained their wages back, since their cutbacks in 2003, in this last raise that Parker gave. If you guys wouldn't have merged with American, would you gained these raises or not?

No raises as LUS would be Chapter 7 by now!!

 

[swamt]

The mechanics receive a proffer for x dollar wage increase, because their peers in the industry have and Doug Parker "promises"
a percentage over ( 3% or 7% ) is that reason enough to increase the wages of the other Title Groups? Wasn't the issue for the last large raise to be able to work on each others aircraft?

I have been asking myself the last few days why LUS received the same raise as LAA and yet LAA does not get benefit matching.

First question; No.
Second; Yes. By agreeing to the wage increase to work each others metals was a financial and tactic move by the co. which turns out to be a great move by the company. This was the largest last leverage option held by the asso. and they "agreed" to let that go. I have said this from day one when the co. offered this increase right smack dabb in the middle of nego a contract and not even discussing economics yet. Fact is the co. needed it so bad they were willing to pay the 22% increases to get it as per article posted above.
My opinion was that the asso. could have easily held out for more added benefits increased for the LAA side to be brought up to the LUS side and or visa versa, but the asso. caved to just the $$$$ dollar signs and therefore released their largest leverage they ever had with this merger. I understand very slightly why the asso. did it, but it could have been handled and negotiated a lot better instead of just once again agreeing to what the company is offering. Watch how they handle the 3% or 7% over D or U. They will once again just agree to what the company will offer, which we are all hearing it's the D+3% reduced from the promised D+7%. I actually hope the mechanics can get the D+7% as promised to them at the town hall meetings by Parker personally, that's what the asso. should fight for for the mechanics.

Forgot to post the article I was referring to about the 22% increases. BTW, were they really 22% to bring the mechanics to where they are currently?

American Airlines pilots expose frailty of CEO's $1 billion labor bet

 

[Tom Talbert 1888]

They can only work their metal on the line, and that came with a no layoff provision.

And the mechanics were working by the book, as they wanted the raises.

See if you were an AA mechanic you would know this.

Your opinion?

Thats funny, five years at WN, no new contract and no talks scheduled, worry about your yard and stay out of mine.

 

[WeAAsles]

They can only work their metal on the line, and that came with a no layoff provision.

And the mechanics were working by the book, as they wanted the raises.

See if you were an AA mechanic you would know this.

Your opinion?

Thats funny, five years at WN, no new contract and no talks scheduled, worry about your yard and stay out of mine.

I’m going back to just ignoring the stray.

#1 He just keeps repeating the same crap over and over. He just made a comment where he didn’t even realize we got between 22 and 24% raises last year.

And #2 He doesn’t know how to write in paragraphs. It’s extremely distracting and difficult to read people who can’t write properly.

Tom he’s all yours. Have fun.

 

[B737 driver]

First question; No.
Second; Yes. By agreeing to the wage increase to work each others metals was a financial and tactic move by the co. which turns out to be a great move by the company. This was the largest last leverage option held by the asso. and they "agreed" to let that go. I have said this from day one when the co. offered this increase right smack dabb in the middle of nego a contract and not even discussing economics yet. Fact is the co. needed it so bad they were willing to pay the 22% increases to get it as per article posted above.
My opinion was that the asso. could have easily held out for more added benefits increased for the LAA side to be brought up to the LUS side and or visa versa, but the asso. caved to just the $$$$ dollar signs and therefore released their largest leverage they ever had with this merger. I understand very slightly why the asso. did it, but it could have been handled and negotiated a lot better instead of just once again agreeing to what the company is offering. Watch how they handle the 3% or 7% over D or U. They will once again just agree to what the company will offer, which we are all hearing it's the D+3% reduced from the promised D+7%. I actually hope the mechanics can get the D+7% as promised to them at the town hall meetings by Parker personally, that's what the asso. should fight for for the mechanics.

Forgot to post the article I was referring to about the 22% increases. BTW, were they really 22% to bring the mechanics to where they are currently?

American Airlines pilots expose frailty of CEO's $1 billion labor bet

Which is why Swamt I hope we don't give the company our Trump card, like we did when Jim S was on the company side, and wanted the Airtran integration done, and said trust us, and then no contract. We have the language to secure the ETOPS work, to get us a contract. If we give that away without a deal, our negotiating team needs to be shot! Peace brother .

 

[swamt]

Which is why Swamt I hope we don't give the company our Trump card, like we did when Jim S was on the company side, and wanted the Airtran integration done, and said trust us, and then no contract. We have the language to secure the ETOPS work, to get us a contract. If we give that away without a deal, our negotiating team needs to be shot! Peace brother .

I agree with you here. I also say we need to use our Air 21's to our advantage as well. I am hearing of some updates coming soon. But I would still not expect anything until after the holidays...

 

[B737 driver]

I agree with you here. I also say we need to use our Air 21's to our advantage as well. I am hearing of some updates coming soon. But I would still not expect anything until after the holidays...

True, I hope American is done before us, then we have another target, plus if you ever picked arbitration , more ammunition! The company is not hurting with our work rules, there is some give and take in any negotiations. As I should know from doing system boards when I was a steward.

 

[Tom Talbert 1888]

Didn’t AirTran have ETOPS flight already or were they just EOW?

 

[B737 driver]

Didn’t AirTran have ETOPS flight already or were they just EOW?

Don't know, probably not.

 

[Tom Talbert 1888]

They flew to the Caribbean.

 

[B737 driver]

They flew to the Caribbean.

I looked it up on Google, no ETOPS, just sat com and life rafts on the 737's, nothing on the 717s, that's all I found out, hopefully that answers your question.

 

[Tom Talbert 1888]

Thanks

 

[conehead777]

They flew to the Caribbean.

Flights 60 mins are less single engine speed dose not require etops.at aa we do not do etops on flights nonstop to the Caribbean. Plus the airplane has to be etops qualified and I do not think the 717 was it requires extra fire protection in the cargo compartments . Plus other requirements in the electric and hydraulic systemsand fuel systems etc and of course the mechanics have to be etops qulified