Aircraft maint issues

[swamt]

My expectation is for the company and union to deliver a industry leading jcba. I`ve looked at the info from UAL and use that as my baseline, a starting point. Unfortunately I only have seen anecdotal information on Deltas compensation. $100k buy out, $20k signing bonus, retiree medical bridge. The company is going to have to beat those for starters otherwise I will be a solid NO when its time to vote.

I agree with you. Remember when Peterson was pissed off in his video about how long nego's are taking and he also mentioned that nothing the company has offered thus far has been industry leading?

If you know what’s going on “in the room” let us know. Please, share the intimate details. What facts do you have, or even what has management or the ASSociation hinted at, that this will be a true industry leading contract?
We’re all speculating based on what management has said and Peterson has said.
You seem so confident of a true industry leading offer. I’m all ears.

He don't know. He's a stock clerk. He is only going by the video updates and making guesses. I too do not see an agreement by end of month. If you guy do get one by then, I would be scared to death about the scope language then.

 

[AANOTOK]

So Mr. Peterson officially becomes part of the International....

http://www.twulocal513.org/docs/Staff Announcement - 12 04-2017.pdf

 

[B737 driver]

Yes they do. Best in the industry thus far, topped SWA's last offer in 09 of 75K.


Correct. Cap set at 100K no more. Pretty good buy-out offer, but the teamsters new contract was not industry leading as they promised when they were trying to get in. Remember the "we promise to reopen the contract and nego new wages and rules?" Well, they never did that either. They also promised the UAL mechanics that they would get them the teamsters pension, another failure by the teamsters and more. According to the UAL mechanics their first teamster contract after they took over was concessionary as well.

You don't want anywhere near a Teamsters pension plan, trust me, and I was a Teamster!!!

 

[WeAAsles]

So with Brother Peterson now an International Rep does his last video comments hold just a little bit more water than they did a few days ago?

 

[AA89]

Four month old video, and its quite apparent you dont know and understand the outsourcing differences.

At LUS they can outsource 50% of billable hours of heavy maintenance, and they can NOT outsource any line maintenance.

At LAA they can outsource 35% of the TOTAL Maintenance budget.

There you go again with the #Fake News.

The Association has NEVER promised that, yet you continue to post that wrong information and yet you have been asked numerous times to post it, you wont and you tell others to post it.

You are making the claim, now back it up once and for all or just stop posting the wrong information.

Tom, everyone knows the video is 4 months old. Is there an expiration date on the content? I’ll ask again: Please share any information you have that the negotiations have taken a better turn than what was in the video. I’d love to be optimistic but give me a reason.
And when you state LUS outsourcing numbers, is it not true that the back shop work that is outsourced (100% of it ) is not even counted in the Heavy Maintenance percentage like it is at LAA? That would put it way higher than 50%.
I only bring it up because I agree with SWAMT that the company wants to get somewhere between LUS and LAA numbers.

 

[Buck]

Four month old video, and its quite apparent you dont know and understand the outsourcing differences.

At LUS they can outsource 50% of billable hours of heavy maintenance, and they can NOT outsource any line maintenance.

At LAA they can outsource 35% of the TOTAL Maintenance budget.

There you go again with the #Fake News.

The Association has NEVER promised that, yet you continue to post that wrong information and yet you have been asked numerous times to post it, you wont and you tell others to post it.

You are making the claim, now back it up once and for all or just stop posting the wrong information.

The Company and the Union agree to limit the percentage of all outsourced Aircraft-related Maintenance to not exceed 35%, subject to exclusions or modifications described elsewhere in this agreement. Further, the parties also agree that no more than 15% of Line Maintenance work will be contracted out.

I was also told that the 35% has been reached long ago and with the closing of AFW TAESL engine shop the number is closer to 38%.

 

[Buck]

Backshops are needed components fail and other items need repair in between HMV.

Backshops? You do not have enough fingers and toes to list the TULE backshops.
Cost is not even the most important issue, Turn Times is a big factor.

 

[The Truth Will Set U Free]

So with Brother Peterson now an International Rep does his last video comments hold just a little bit more water than they did a few days ago?

Hey is and always will be just talk. Now he will just be paid more of our money. For doing NOTHING.

 

[Buck]

You don't want anywhere near a Teamsters pension plan, trust me, and I was a Teamster!!!

Nor the Multiemployer Pension Plans

 

[OldGuy@AA]

So Mr. Peterson officially becomes part of the International....

http://www.twulocal513.org/docs/Staff Announcement - 12 04-2017.pdf

The way it was explained to me is that it's the lowest position there is in the international. He's in the same position that Dale Danker is in. They don't get any international money and any travel they do for the international comes out of their local's bank account. At least that is the word I got.

 

[Buck]

We have 3 shops here at DWH. Slide, coffee maker and battery. They are currently upgrading the last AMTOs from those shops and are not filling their positions. Headcount for all 3 shops will be 36 OSM. The general consensus is these shops will be closed or moved soon.

Barring a decent Early Out, considering Age and Medical Bridge to 65, those TWU members at TULE who are working as machinist and welders could be moved to the hangars or backshops when a reduction of force occurs. That does not mean layoff when positions are available and use their seniority to bump A&P's and Backshop's. In theory a reduction in force could be an adjustment and the company can basically do what it wants when a new aircraft line is opened.

 

[Buck]

That’s why I asked Buck here yesterday about the shops in Tulsa. Did they back fill the shops when the 80 were upgraded from the shops to the hangar? The answer might give us a clue as to managements in-house maintenance philosophy going forward.
I didn’t get an answer.

I believe that is still in progress. Basically there will not be a reduction in the work force but jobs and/or the type of work can change.
A key factor would be the requirement of having your A&P to work the aircraft and the engines. The 80 were OSM's I believe.
There are two types of mechanic in the OSM shops, the OSM with a License and an OSM without a License. The outsoucing percentage could be a reason for the movement to the Hangars by Licensed OSM's.

 

[Go Figure]

You don't want anywhere near a Teamsters pension plan, trust me, and I was a Teamster!!!

What Teamster pension plan are you vested in? Just curious ?

 

[B737 driver]

What Teamster pension plan are you vested in? Just curious ?

I wasn't they tried to talk us into the cotton states plan, it ended up being a black hole for the Truckers that were involved in it. Luckily we were smart enough to keep our 401k. Their plans are constantly underfunded if they manage it. Stay away from it, at all cost.

 

[ATD]

GP on INT staff is a paid position and with pension benefits after 5 years.
I told you so Weasy..
So the guy who applied for AA management job three times and always put down Don V, Bobby and Little now following the same footsteps.
He is an opportunist nothing more.
And I did not get to vote for him in that position..
I stand by all of my negative post on GP.
And WEASY I have never been in the ATD.