Aircraft maint issues

[Tom Talbert 1888]

Not sure if you directly mentioned the IAMNPF in your post but you have defended the contract and hasn't your Pension been to PBGC, once or twice?

How could it have been twice?

We only had one defined benefit plan.

It was terminated in February of 2005 in the second chapter 11 case.

I said I would consider an offer but I prefer to stay in the IAMNPF as I’ve been in it for nine years.

If they give me my contribution back in my hourly wage and a substantial 401k match I’d consider it.

I just don’t like the idea of financing my own retirement directly.

Also Buck your posts aren’t showing up right away it’s odd.

 

[Tom Talbert 1888]

You have been breathing that Socialist air again, the government does not grant me anything.

Believe that falsehood lol.

 

[trentrb211]

Yours includes avionics, mine didn’t.

I know you are but what am I?

 

[Tom Talbert 1888]

I know you are but what am I?

?????

 

[ATD]

Observation:
591 pres is also a twu INT VP. I just heard he is now on the staff at the International.
This sound familiar when Little gave jobs to Don V and a few other amfa wanabies to shut them up.
So is Gary Peterson now a fan of TWU ? .
591 rarely acknowledges TWU.
This is why I do not respect most of our union leaders they do not stand for anything.
They stand for what ever keeps them in power.
If you stand for what is right you will be a one term person which should be how things are done.

 

[swamt]

Observation:
591 pres is also a twu INT VP. I just heard he is now on the staff at the International.
This sound familiar when Little gave jobs to Don V and a few other amfa wanabies to shut them up.
So is Gary Peterson now a fan of TWU ? .
591 rarely acknowledges TWU.
This is why I do not respect most of our union leaders they do not stand for anything.
They stand for what ever keeps them in power.
If you stand for what is right you will be a one term person which should be how things are done.

The Local 591 pres. is also the TWU international VP? Not allowed in other unions. A person can only occupy ONE position within the union, in emergencies the Director can assign another officer to temp fill in until a new election is done for vacaded or empty position, but it's only temp. Could it be a temp move by the union until someone new is elected into the position??

 

[Tom Talbert 1888]

The Local 591 pres. is also the TWU international VP? Not allowed in other unions. A person can only occupy ONE position within the union, in emergencies the Director can assign another officer to temp fill in until a new election is done for vacaded or empty position, but it's only temp. Could it be a temp move by the union until someone new is elected into the position??

This isn’t other unions, worry about your non-exsistant contract talks at WN and let the TWU members deal with it.

It doesn’t effect you and no one knows if this is true or not.

He is not listed on their leadership page as a VP.

https://www.twu.org/our-union/leadership/

 

[Matt1200]

I read on JetNet that Tulsa is to get all GE CFM 56-5 work. I like to see Phoenix get all IAE V 2500 work. Keep as much work in house!

 

[Tom Talbert 1888]

Here’s the article. The work is coming in-house from Brazil.

20 year contract with GE is ending.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/business/...cle_76362077-a7d9-5153-b220-3cff87406255.html

Isn’t PHX just QEC and not overhaul?

 

[WeAAsles]

Observation:
591 pres is also a twu INT VP. I just heard he is now on the staff at the International.
This sound familiar when Little gave jobs to Don V and a few other amfa wanabies to shut them up.
So is Gary Peterson now a fan of TWU ? .
591 rarely acknowledges TWU.
This is why I do not respect most of our union leaders they do not stand for anything.
They stand for what ever keeps them in power.
If you stand for what is right you will be a one term person which should be how things are done.

So far I’m not getting anything coming back that President Petersen is “on staff” at the International or the ATD. Has anyone put out anything official anywhere?

Besides wouldn’t it be a good thing for the Int’l to have a Maintenance guy on staff anyway? Technically since he’s been in the Executive Negotiations he’s kind of got his foot in that door already.

Besides I’m always wondering why people want to crucify others who show any ambition at things? Is it just jealousy that they’re somewhere that others are not?

 

[ATD]

So far I’m not getting anything coming back that President Petersen is “on staff” at the International or the ATD. Has anyone put out anything official anywhere?

Besides wouldn’t it be a good thing for the Int’l to have a Maintenance guy on staff anyway? Technically since he’s been in the Executive Negotiations he’s kind of got his foot in that door already.

Besides I’m always wondering why people want to crucify others who show any ambition at things? Is it just jealousy that they’re somewhere that others are not?

Weasy,
GP always critized the twu along with his boys like Ruiz and others
I respect those who stand for what they believe in.
The info came from a little mole at the INT.

You cant play both sides and say you stand for something.

 

[B737 driver]

How man

I read on JetNet that Tulsa is to get all GE CFM 56-5 work. I like to see Phoenix get all IAE V 2500 work. Keep as much work in house!

How many V2500 do you have?That's the Airbus fleet.I know the MD90, which Delta has, has the V2500, as well as the ex Northwest Airbuses.

 

[WeAAsles]

Weasy,
GP always critized the twu along with his boys like Ruiz and others
I respect those who stand for what they believe in.
The info came from a little mole at the INT.

You cant play both sides and say you stand for something.

Ok ATD I’m going to fly with what you wrote then and say maybe you got the scoop?

And oh yea did GP criticize the TWU back under Little and the boys. “Jim Little and the boys” Don’t think he cared for that group too much.

Maybe now he likes the team who overthrew the last Administration? And maybe he’s worked very hard and “earned” a position rather than the group that used to get them just to STFU?

 

[Vortilon]

Yea Vort I posted that article just above the other one. Personally I have to go more with the BLS reports than anything written for either side of the debate. I did notice though on BLS that the average wages for AMT are creeping up which does show a demand for the skills.

I’m just not sure at this moment yet if there is an urgent shortage like Pilots? And it doesn’t take that long to get that A&P License from start to finish. Now proficiency and expertise is another conversation entirely. That demands a premium compensation and a need to retain as Aircraft get more and more complicated.

Not unlike a pilot needing flight time to show experience, A&P licenses are just the beginning of the learning process for many. That is why - to even be considered for most decent paying Aircraft Maintenance positions, one has to have at least 5 years of heavy A/C experience.

As far as your preference to the BLS, I find their inclusion of non A&Ps etc to be an example of watering down the profession. Not unlike the biased ass hats over at the NMB. All politics. Not even worth debating, not even AA attempts to compare us with these types of positions. I will take the words from people who actually work in the industry, who know what they are up against as was quoted in the Forbes article. It wasn't the authors opinion; rather, it was the concern of 64% of the executives involved in the search for new talent.

Oddly enough, I find the argument for the watering down of AMT skills coming from the "one size fits all" industrial unions - often referring to AMTs as "maintenance workers" when it suits their needs.

 

[WeAAsles]

Not unlike a pilot needing flight time to show experience, A&P licenses are just the beginning of the learning process for many. That is why - to even be considered for most decent paying Aircraft Maintenance positions, one has to have at least 5 years of heavy A/C experience.

As far as your preference to the BLS, I find their inclusion of non A&Ps etc to be an example of watering down the profession. Not unlike the biased ass hats over at the NMB. All politics. Not even worth debating, not even AA attempts to compare us with these types of positions. I will take the words from people who actually work in the industry, who know what they are up against as was quoted in the Forbes article. It wasn't the authors opinion; rather, it was the concern of 64% of the executives involved in the search for new talent.

Oddly enough, I find the argument for the watering down of AMT skills coming from the "one size fits all" industrial unions - often referring to AMTs as "maintenance workers" when it suits their needs.

I hope this doesn’t go against my scarlet letter forehead tag of I hate Aircraft Mechanics or anything to that effect. But again thank you for the conversation. I don’t have any reason or information to argue, debate or disagree with anything you just said.

Frankly the AA TUL news and how AA framed it on Jetnet negates any arguments that highly skilled AMT’s don’t both deserve and should demand a premium Compensation package.

I hope the Airlines eventually institute a Mentorship program. It’s too late for me but we have a lot of good kids hiring on that might deserve and could earn that tutelage.