Aircraft maint issues

What I would like to know is when will a leader from fleet service emerge? It seems maintenance (peterson) is sticking his neck out all the time, while fleet service rides the coattails AGAIN.
Really the clown on here quotes him like he's a god, yet No one from fleet is taking the lead.
 
dfw gen said:
What I would like to know is when will a leader from fleet service emerge? It seems maintenance (peterson) is sticking his neck out all the time, while fleet service rides the coattails AGAIN.
Really the clown on here quotes him like he's a god, yet No one from fleet is taking the lead.
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Not to argue with you DFW, but I would disagree with your "coattails" comment, and I would also remind you that Fleet is waiting on the mechanics to catch up. I will agree though, at least publicly, I have not seen or heard of anyone taking the reins on Fleets side and taking control, calling out Parker. Peterson was a very strong voice at the last town hall and has been trough out. But, just like Fa was hammered for his Equity Thanksgiving Day comment, I still have not seen Peterson lay out what the company offered and why it was so bad, something he stated was forthcoming. But all in all, you are correct, who is leading Fleet??
 
I will give fleet credit they do show up with numbers at the protests. Unlike the IAM which cough,cough weren't asked to participate. Again that's something that will be remembered.
Maybe you can have weaasle step up? He knows it all, and everybody.
There are things on the horizon. One thing I do know is if this is not wrapped up by January 1st, it won't be for a very long time. I would not be surprised if an agreement on distribution of the equity by the company as a pacifier.
 
dfw gen said:
I will give fleet credit they do show up with numbers at the protests. Unlike the IAM which cough,cough weren't asked to participate. Again that's something that will be remembered.
Maybe you can have weaasle step up? He knows it all, and everybody.
There are things on the horizon. One thing I do know is if this is not wrapped up by January 1st, it won't be for a very long time. I would not be surprised if an agreement on distribution of the equity by the company as a pacifier.
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Well buddy we have TWO Fleet Negotiators who show up here and converse on the threads. They even share their personal updates and opinions with us in an E- Mail update. (You have who here? Nobody)

As far as Gary, well Gary was (rightfully so) brought in to the Executive Negotiations because on the TWU side we already had Alex and Mike in there who know what we need. BTW Gary knows I share his updates both here and on FB and it’s cool with him cause he IS in those Negotiations and unlike you (Something you can’t understand) we’re all Union Brothers.

BTW it did sound a little like you have a man crush on the guy and are upset that yea I met him? You got a problem with getting to know people?
 
Buck said:
Like you are trying to sell LAA your IAMNPF?
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Where in my post did I even mention it?

If AA offers a high 401k match I will consider it, but as of now I am better off with the IAMNPF as I have been in it for nine years already. I've already had one pension terminated, I dont want to lose another.

Stop complaining about my pension, when your frozen pension is going to cost AA $2 billion as of now to make up the short falls, as myself and other LUS members wont benefit a penny from that.
 
Vortilon said:
There isn't a shortage? Thanks, I needed a good laugh. I see the need daily, as I remain on 3 different AMT head hunter lists - for just this reason. I have never seen so many openings for Aircraft Mechanic positions in my 35 years in the profession. There may be some bodies out there working on aircraft at MROs, but that doesn't mean they have A&P licenses. If they are working at an MRO in the first place, one has to wonder, what the hell is wrong with them? Oh, there are a few exceptions, inexperience, live in the area, and don't want to move, etc.. No sane, licensed AMT - puts in the time and effort of getting FAA A&P licenses - to settle on working for some shite bag MRO. The other ones, well usually there is something wrong with their background check or a failed drug screening. Then, you have your non - English speaking types that many of these MRO vendors attempt to sneak in. Anybody remaining on layoff - it is not because there isn't quality companies to work for - it's because of choice to not relocate, typically awaiting a recall.
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Very true. I too am still getting flyers and calls from contract maint. companies (STS for one) and they are saying there is a shortage in the industry. I also remember a couple articles about 6 months ago detailing the industry shortage of Pilots and mechanics going forward. Pilots shortage is a little bigger than the mechanics shortage, but both articles detailed how there are no "new" entries into the schools for A&P lic. as well as no where near the entries into the aircraft fields from military aircraft mechanics with experience. MRO's are just a temp. job until airlines start calling. All the rest are as you said above.
Hey, Vortilon, we just had some interviews completed last week, and I am hearing more will be hired after the new year and should last thru-out the 2018 year. Somewhere between 10-15 at most per month. Please spread the word to any of the fellas that might be interested.
 
conehead777 said:
swamt you are very welcome on the aa side. You are a real amt why we have non amts haters posting there hateful non amt rhetoric. Plus there hypocrites telling you lies about AMFA when the twu and iam are amts worst night mare. And have done worse example 2003 twu gave everything we had in like a month of negotiations with no snap back. In 2012 they told us to vote yes in the bk. Are the judge would decide. Well the pilots turned there first one down the judge told the company and union to work it out. I’m so sick of twu iam lies. The iam is worst look at Boeing . I’m tired of non amts posting there bs when they have never signed legal responsibility for the airplane. That we work on. Until they get a license I feel there comments are mute.
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To be honest, I have learned from some of the more intelligent posters how the new asso. and why it runs as it does. They cater to the fleet side because they are a fleet type unin not mechanic. They also have way more non-aircraft members than they do mechanics.
The 2003 raping of the mechanics should have had a snap back clause in it. The Pilots and F/A's both had it. I was on here during that time and was asking why the hell didn't the TWU get a snap back clause in there? In 2012 I too thought the mechanics should have voted it down, as the company just proved with the pilots that the company would in fact come back to the table to renegotiate rather than just pulling the contract, it wa all scare tactics by the company WITH the TWU's help to sell the fear into the members to vote yes for it. Remember it like yesterday.
conehead, I just really hope reality comes true after this new JCBA is done. I think (know) you guys will once again get crapped on with this asso. they will once again cater to the other groups and not the mechanics again. I also hate to say, it will not be industry leading contract (at least on the mechanics side at a minimum) when T/A day is here. I really think most the membership will be overwhelmed on some changes. I still hope you guys get the ILC, but I just don't see that coming from this asso.
 
Vortilon said:
You're funny, the article you attached - is over two years old.
This article is a lot more credible. Reread the last sentence. https://www.forbes.com/sites/oliver...he-global-fleet-and-raise-costs/#704d43174984
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Yea Vort I posted that article just above the other one. Personally I have to go more with the BLS reports than anything written for either side of the debate. I did notice though on BLS that the average wages for AMT are creeping up which does show a demand for the skills.

I’m just not sure at this moment yet if there is an urgent shortage like Pilots? And it doesn’t take that long to get that A&P License from start to finish. Now proficiency and expertise is another conversation entirely. That demands a premium compensation and a need to retain as Aircraft get more and more complicated.
 
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