AAA ALPA Topic 8/24/07 - 8/31-07

[P51Pilot]

Ok, let's think about that for a moment. Parker cuts bait and puts US up for sale: the east side to UAL and the west to Delta. East pilots will try to get DOH seniority with UAL and will not budge, finally going to arbitration. (Honestly, I think you guys are hosed if you ever go into arbitration again. The arbitrator world is a very close group of people who might not think too kindly of the bashing and mockery made on one of their own – Nicolau). After the arbitrators decision you will be back whining like a bunch of pussy cats about the "travesty" of "The List" once again.

OR, Parker can just cut the east operation and you guys can go back to being a standalone carrier, oh wait, that didn't work out too well for you guys. Then again, that might work out for the better since you seem to be a much happier and content group while downsizing and furloughing with no future.

It should make it easy for you to support separate operations then until this baby can be split. Try to get that contract in section 6 while you can though. Once the East profit center is gone, your bargaining power will be too.

 

[exB717Flyer]

There is no hope for this merger.

You may be right. Beat the rush and quit now. I'm sticking around for at least a while.

 

[sharktooth]

That was barely comprehensible but I'll try to address what I can.

Yes, logic can be daunting for neophytes.

Nicolau decided what seniority is as applicable to this merger.

and what "seniority" was that? Is it repeatable? a one time, I'll color outside the lines if I want, kind of thing?

I didn't and I don't.The Nic Award allows for no bump or flush.

No one said anything about "bump or flush". Are you so naive you have no idea what you are talking about?

Grieve what, exactly? And you guys have already proven that you don't accept arbitration so any future disputes are going to be real interesting.

Maybe, but it could befuddle your already befuddled excuses for grey matter. The problem for you would be, if you defend the n list, then you must defend the furloughee arbitration, placing them above you. What do you do then, accept such an award, wait for the east to counter (don't hold your breath), or, like you do usually, cry?

Don't know what you mean.Only in Bizzaro World can the West be said to be violating any rules.

Didn't say anything about "violating" rules. You just acknowledged that what you want is to "violate the rules". Thank you.

 

[sharktooth]

(Honestly, I think you guys are hosed if you ever go into arbitration again. The arbitrator world is a very close group of people who might not think too kindly of the bashing and mockery made on one of their own – Nicolau).

You are completely wrong about that.

You need to really question any that said that. You obviously know no one in that world.

You should ask one of the former US pilots who is in that world. He said it was pretty cut-throat, just like the A&W pilots.

 

[USA320Pilot]

US Airways ALPA MEC CODE-A-PHONE UPDATE - August 25, 2007

This is Arnie Gentile with a US Airways MEC update for Saturday, August 25th, with one new item.

MEC Chairman Captain Jack Stephan, other Officers, available LEC members and Committee folks will conduct crew room visits in PHL, DCA and CLT this coming week. Please take advantage of this opportunity to speak with the US Airways pilots’ leadership. The meeting schedule is as follows:

Tuesday, August 28th…………..PHL…….B-crewroom………..noon to 4:00pm
Tuesday, August 28th ………….PHL……..Intl crewroom……...4:00 to 7:00pm

Wednesday, August 29th ………..DCA…………………………..6:00am to 10:00am
Wednesday, August 29th ………..CLT…………………………....noon to 5:00 pm

News you can use:

W.A.R. Item 824

B-737, AB 320, MEL Preamble, check the appropriate MEL book. It is important to remember that all equipment related to the airworthiness and the operating regulations of the aircraft NOT listed on the MMEL must be operative.

Educate to Vacate:

For each year from now until the year 2019, US Airways attrition accounts for over 80% of the source of Captain Vacancies.

Equal pay for Equal Work:

The US Airways pilots have worked under a B Scale for 697 days.
From September 27th, 2005 to August 25th, 2007, Due to the lack of =PAY4=WORK
Every Group 2 US Airways Captain has lost $32,284
Every Group 2 US Airways First Officer has lost $14,796

Follow the three-prong approach, fly safe and thanks for listening.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

Just out of curiosity, does anyone know if Arnie Gentile is related to this fellow?
http://www.acepilots.com/usaaf_gentile.html

 

[exB717Flyer]

Yes, logic can be daunting for neophytes.

Ah, yes, when a salient point can't be made try to denigrate your opponent. Says a lot about you. Incidently, I'm furloughed from TWA so I think I know a thing or two about seniority. Plus, I still can't understand any of your points. You're getting incoherent just like ole' EASTUS did before he got suspended.

 

[AAA73Pilot]

OR, Parker can just cut the east operation and you guys can go back to being a standalone carrier, oh wait, that didn't work out too well for you guys. Then again, that might work out for the better since you seem to be a much happier and content group while downsizing and furloughing with no future.

Actually, that sounds like a good deal, so long as an operations person is brought in to run the show. Ever since Seigel and Lakefield came in, and other non operationally trained managers, it's been down hill ever since. This place has proven time and time again to investers there is value in a viable East operation. Hence the investment in US for the current merger. Depending on who is brought in, please Doug sell this place so we can get back to running an airline.

 

[SkyRat]

Depending on who is brought in, please Doug sell this place so we can get back to running an airline.

AMEN!!!

Please do, so we can all move on... A fast marriage to an Inmature Wife that was married to an abusive husband, and a Temper Tandrum Kid that does not know what RULES (BINDING) mean, or a Pilot Group that thinks that they deserve it all, at all cost because of their "past" sucks! PATHETIC!

Please divorce me, and you can have 1/2, before I shoot myself!

GL

 

[AAA73Pilot]

AMEN!!!

Please do, so we can all move on... A fast marriage to an Inmature Wife that was married to an abusive husband, and a Temper Tandrum Kid that does not know what RULES (BINDING) mean, or a Pilot Group that thinks that they deserve it all, at all cost because of their "past" sucks! PATHETIC!

Please divorce me, and you can have 1/2, before I shoot myself!

GL

Pathetic? yes it is. It's been pathetic for many years here, before you were even thought of. Your temper tantrum on not being able to cash a winning ticket is also pathetic.

I also know what binding means and what policy means. What is pathetic, is policies in one binding merger have become guidelines in another (this) binding merger. Too bad you only hear about the change after the fact.

Most people on this property used to think that ALPA Constitution and ByLaws stood for something. Something tangible, something you can count on as a foundation for solving problems and promoting unity. I wonder what other policies of the ByLaws are really guidelines that we haven't heard about yet? So yes it's pathetic it has come to this.

Divorce you? I never wanted you in the first place. Maybe you should send this to Doug and ask him why? Or you could have continued to struggle and hope that someone would buy you. Then you too could be on the receiving end of a policy that was really a guideline.

 

[700UW]

The US Airways Pilots back in 1992 scabbed against the IAM.

They cut a secret deal to not honor the picket line and every pilot would get paid if their trip cancelled.

The company grounded the DC9s, MD-80s, F28s, F100s and some 737-200s, EVERY pilot got paid.

They also during the 30 day cooling off period and during the stike cleaned planes, jobs that the IAM Represented Utility has the exclusive scope language to peform.

I personally filed at least 100 grievances against pilots during the 30 day cooling off period for cleaning planes.

While walking the picket lines our members reported numerous harassments incidents of US Pilots talking garbage to our picketers.

I guess ALPA forgets what happened in October of 1992.

At least it took a Federal Judge to order our AFA represented FAs not to honor the picket line as they tried.

So who is calling whom a scab?

 

[USA320Pilot]

US Airways ALPA LGA Council 135 Update - August 26, 2007

To the LGA Pilots,

As the fight for parity goes on, the company constantly reminds us that parity is not available unless the AWA pilots' needs are addressed as well. This collective position rings even more hollow after learning about an interim Letter of Understanding (LOU) that was executed by the Pilots of AWA under MEC Chairman John McIlvenna's signature. Under this LOU the pilots of AWA will receive 3:00 of pay and credit for each calendar day of ground school and in addition, the AWA pilots will be responsible for completing up to twelve (12:00) hours of recurrent home study (distance learning) for which they will receive pay no credit for six (6:00) hours of pay at the pilot's applicable pay rate. Merger related
training is excluded. Any training in excess of 12 hours is paid at a rate of $40 per hour.

Furthermore, any AWA pilot who completed recurrent ground school in 2007 before the execution of this Letter of Understanding shall be paid as if the Letter of Understanding existed when the Pilot completed such training. This letter dated April 2, 2007 is effective until a Joint Pilot's agreement is effected or December 31, 2007.

Under LOA 93, AAA pilots complete up to 16 hours of distance learning with no compensation and then additional training is compensated at 25% of the pilot's applicable rate. The AAA pilots just keep shouldering the US Airways profitability burden so the rich get richer.

The question to ask is, "Were the AAA pilots' needs addressed while this LOU was being executed between Johnny Mac and Al the AWA pal and if not, why not?" I believe that the answer is simple…there are two sets of standards when it comes to treatment of the pilot groups by management. The "requirement" to address pilots' needs on both sides has no bearing in fact or practice. It is merely convenient rhetoric that is really tiresome and boring to hear.

Do I want the pilots of AWA to be paid less than the LOU provides…NO! But in a world of Equal Pay for Equal Work, both sides should be compensated commensurate with one another.

I would hope that Johnny MAC calls his pal Al and demands that the East Pilots be paid the under the same arrangement as it is "The right thing to do." I will hold my breath awaiting the AWA spin on this one.

Have you had enough?

I have!

Don Iorio
LGA 135 Captain Rep

 

[sharktooth]

Ah, yes, when a salient point can't be made try to denigrate your opponent. Says a lot about you. Incidently, I'm furloughed from TWA so I think I know a thing or two about seniority. Plus, I still can't understand any of your points. You're getting incoherent just like ole' EASTUS did before he got suspended.

It is said that cognitive dissonance makes others seem incoherent. Just sayin'

Oh, and, how long were you at TWA?

 

[Phoenix]

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I personally filed at least 100 grievances against pilots during the 30 day cooling off period for cleaning planes.

While walking the picket lines our members reported numerous harassments incidents of US Pilots talking garbage to our picketers.

I guess ALPA forgets what happened in October of 1992.

At least it took a Federal Judge to order our AFA represented FAs not to honor the picket line as they tried.

So who is calling whom a scab?

OK. ALPA doesn't have a problem with scabs. Not the first time and apparently won't be the last, if ALPA sticks around.

Got it. Lets get rid of the ALPA constitution and structure that engenders that.

 

[BottomFeeder]

The US Airways Pilots back in 1992 scabbed against the IAM.

They cut a secret deal to not honor the picket line and every pilot would get paid if their trip cancelled.

The company grounded the DC9s, MD-80s, F28s, F100s and some 737-200s, EVERY pilot got paid.

They also during the 30 day cooling off period and during the stike cleaned planes, jobs that the IAM Represented Utility has the exclusive scope language to peform.

I personally filed at least 100 grievances against pilots during the 30 day cooling off period for cleaning planes.

While walking the picket lines our members reported numerous harassments incidents of US Pilots talking garbage to our picketers.

I guess ALPA forgets what happened in October of 1992.

At least it took a Federal Judge to order our AFA represented FAs not to honor the picket line as they tried.

So who is calling whom a scab?

700uw,
Were you driving the turd wagon back in 92? Was that the start of being the lavman?

Still waiting for your answer!!!!!!!!!!!

YES or NO Did the IAM cross a picket line at NWA and do the exact same work that was struck?


IAM Unionist pointing a finger at ALPA..................PRICELESS

Don't let your facts get in the way of a yes or no answer