AA Seniority after LCC Buyout

[signals]

Listen, AFA is Date of Hire period. No stapling or slotting. It's in the constiution of our union. USAir flight attendants have always extended date of hire to PSA Piedmont ect. It's the fair and right thing. AFA would extend that to all the AA Flight Attendants as well should this #### show unfold.

From what I understand, AA are not AFA, if true your statement is null and void!

 

[signals]

Now that's funny.

Just look at all the US employees are over here opining about a merger....

If that's not putting the cart before the horse, I'm not sure what is.

They are always crying merger wolf. It gets old after awhile

 

[whatkindoffreshhell]

Ok ,I am a US employee. And I do firmly believe that US and AA will combine.

Yes, a merger attempt is inevitable. Doesn't matter whether or not it makes business sense, Doug Parker will do it.

And the pilot-integration battle that follows will be the stuff of legends....

 

[RevThruster]

Here is a website that probably has the best explanation of the AA BK situation to date. http://www.aviationplanning.com/ After reading their take on the situation, they pretty well put things into perspective.

All of these US Air merger trolls can just settle down. You can also cut the crap about AA mistreating all the TWA employees. First of all, most of us AA employees didn't want AA to buy what was left of TWA after they filed for BK anyway. It wasn't a merger in the first place! In maintenance, after the acquisition the TWA aircraft mechanics realized about a $10ph raise. Then there was a formula imposed to figure their integration. They retained company seniority for bidding vacation, and retirement etc. The integration was on occupational seniority for bidding shifts and days off etc.. We got along fine and still do. Why? Well, because most of us realize that these decisions are made well above our pay grade. <_<

It is TRULY AMAZING to me, how SO many AA employees used to literally slam and discredit all of the analysts when they would say how AA should go into BK, ETC. NOW all of a sudden, the analyst knows what they are talking about when it comes to their OPINION of AA's BK.. It is more of a situation of what you want to hear and accept, more than if the analyst is right or not.

 

[Vortilon]

It is TRULY AMAZING to me, how SO many AA employees used to literally slam and discredit all of the analysts when they would say how AA should go into BK, ETC. NOW all of a sudden, the analyst knows what they are talking about when it comes to their OPINION of AA's BK.. It is more of a situation of what you want to hear and accept, more than if the analyst is right or not.

If you took the time to actually read the report, it becomes evidently clear that these folks know what they are talking about. I don't care to hear or read any of it. However, since it involves me directly, I have no choice. Show me a link to a more accurate assessment of the BK.

The way I see it, You US Air trolls are over here starting sh@t on our BB.

Besides, last I heard SWA was gonna take a run at AA. 😉

 

[FWAAA]

My take on the seniority thing is this, and I can be totally wrong, since US would be the buyer, AA f/as would be the new members and therefore they would be at the bottom with a new DOH for that airline. One further step is that since technically they all were hired on the same day, their seniority would be based on their last name. Example is someone whose last name starts with A, would have the seniority over those that start with another letter. So if A has one year and B has 20 years, A would have more seniority.

Now of course this can be totally off, and it would be a union scenario in my situation, but it is how general unions operate.

As you suspected, you are totally wrong. It matters not who the buyer is, it only matters which workgroup is larger, and since AA has thousands more FAs than US, the outcome of a union election would probably be the APFA. Then the seniority integration would begin.

 

[nbmcg01]

As you suspected, you are totally wrong. It matters not who the buyer is, it only matters which workgroup is larger, and since AA has thousands more FAs than US, the outcome of a union election would probably be the APFA. Then the seniority integration would begin.

Once again you're assuming that employees would be part of the deal. Also, ALL members of the class or craft are eligible to vote. The poll tax won't work in a representation election. All on the seniority list whether active or not will be able to vote and I'm guessing that will be a loss of numbers for the APFA. What happened to us will NEVER happen again regardless of the reason for acquisition. Remember, the TWA bk was PLANNED. The acquisition didn't happen over night. It was well orchastrated and had been planned for at least 18 months. Everything was planned out to make it as seamless as possible for AA. Our previous bks were pre-pacs..in one day, out the next. All contracts, leases et al had been negotiated BEFORE filing. I hope AA is barred from this bk based on cash on hand, reason for filing (CBA and pilot lump sum retirement) and the the inept management decisions (and BOD should be "fired"). Now that is reorganization.

 

[Buck]

The seniority issue is easy for other than the Flight Attendants and the Pilots, the TWU is my union and they will protect my seniority.

One thing is for certain, your seniority is exactly that, your seniority nothing more.

K Hammock TWU Local 514 officer a few years ago.​

 

[signals]

As you suspected, you are totally wrong. It matters not who the buyer is, it only matters which workgroup is larger, and since AA has thousands more FAs than US, the outcome of a union election would probably be the APFA. Then the seniority integration would begin.

Hear that US? You're obviously the ones who are screwed. So let the merger begin 😛

You have the pilot wars and now the f/a wars 🙄

The circUS continues 😛

 

[damajagua]

What is the point of this topic?
Wait and see if a merger does
happened then we all can have
a discussion about it.
Until then everything written
here is B......T!!!!!!!!!

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

What is the point of this topic?
Wait and see if a merger does
happened then we all can have
a discussion about it.
Until then everything written
here is B......T!!!!!!!!!

This board depends on this animosity. It will continue until it ends. UAL is an example.

 

[swamt]

If you took the time to actually read the report, it becomes evidently clear that these folks know what they are talking about. I don't care to hear or read any of it. However, since it involves me directly, I have no choice. Show me a link to a more accurate assessment of the BK.

The way I see it, You US Air trolls are over here starting sh@t on our BB.

Besides, last I heard SWA was gonna take a run at AA. 😉

You have got to be kidding or stoned! SWA doesn't want anything to do with AA. Besides, regulators wouldn't allow it to happen. If you want to spread some rumors, at least make them believeable!!!

 

[tom barry]

What BK judge ( in his/her RIGHT MIND) would let (even) a BK/AA anywhere Near an abortion like LCC, considering that they're still not working off of a single (pilots) seniority list ?

H O W . . . . long has it been since they STILL can't get-it-together ?

 

[Boomer]

Thread is IAM v. TWU if AA joins US

For the Maintenance & Related: the US Airways Maintenance & Related number about 3,200; the AA M&R number about 11,000.

In any Representational Election: the TWU at AA will choose to hold our contract, with the "hold harmless provisions" adjudicated as legal during the AA/TWA aquisition and require an NMB Certification Election during which the IAM will be outnumbered 3:1.

The IAM COLLUDED with NWA in breaking the AMFA strike, along with the F/A Union and ALPA.

The majority of the M&R at AA wanted AMFA to represent then: collusion between AA and the TWU prevented that election.

Absent a true democratic union, AMFA, the M&R at AA will retain the TWU for job protection.

ALL JMHO,

Regards,
Boomer

 

[care2purchasefood?]

Nobody will get stapled if another merger happens. The former TWA f/a's fought to make sure it would never happen again. So gas bud, you just need to take a hike, have a beer and go to sleep.