AA Seniority after LCC Buyout

[julesaafa43]

As a junior f/a at US with only 11 years seniority, I have no issue with date-of-hire. It IS the fairest way, for all work groups as far as I am concerned. What (junior) f/as at AA need to fear is the reserve system that US has. The power of the most senior is incredible and frankly, those are the only ones AFA is concerned with. Our reserve system is archaic, does not allow reserves to break guarantee, and much is open to scheduling's discretion. It there were to be slotting with the f/a's, this would be the real issue and difficulty for AA f/as.

 

[nbmcg01]

Thats interesting but just for fun if aa/us did become one airline. Our res system is pretty rough also, on call 6 days at a time 24hrs a day. And as far as senority we do not have anyone under 11 years flying . So that would not be good for the junior f/as at us , maybe your reserve is better than you know we have standby and i have even come in at 6am off a red-eye and went back out at 6 that same night after a 12hr rest. Do you have a 2 shifts or any kind of release we do not its on call all the time even leave and on a turn and come back 5 days later if you are on call all those days they just keep resked you over and over everyday... Oh well we shall see never say never i guess , but i do really like your uniforms better than ours. luv the a/p scarves !!! see ya in the skies or maybe the hotel shuttle

Is this speculation really necessary? Why add stress to an already stressful event. It is true that AFA has DOH in the by laws. They have also "unscrambled the eggs" in the past. There are several issues that may change the "game". If there is an acquisition (takes on a whole new meaning, no?) are you certain employees will be a part of the deal? Possibly there will be East, West, and Mid-west... see how this makes no sense.
Vote carefully in the upcoming election. Too bad those that actually vote have been hit with a poll tax... hummmmmmm

 

[Vortilon]

Here is a website that probably has the best explanation of the AA BK situation to date. http://www.aviationplanning.com/ After reading their take on the situation, they pretty well put things into perspective.

All of these US Air merger trolls can just settle down. You can also cut the crap about AA mistreating all the TWA employees. First of all, most of us AA employees didn't want AA to buy what was left of TWA after they filed for BK anyway. It wasn't a merger in the first place! In maintenance, after the acquisition the TWA aircraft mechanics realized about a $10ph raise. Then there was a formula imposed to figure their integration. They retained company seniority for bidding vacation, and retirement etc. The integration was on occupational seniority for bidding shifts and days off etc.. We got along fine and still do. Why? Well, because most of us realize that these decisions are made well above our pay grade. <_<

 

[conniegirl]

Here is a website that probably has the best explanation of the AA BK situation to date. http://www.aviationplanning.com/ After reading their take on the situation, they pretty well put things into perspective.

All of these US Air merger trolls can just settle down. You can also cut the crap about AA mistreating all the TWA employees. First of all, most of us AA employees didn't want AA to buy what was left of TWA after they filed for BK anyway. It wasn't a merger in the first place! In maintenance, after the acquisition the TWA aircraft mechanics realized about a $10ph raise. Then there was a formula imposed to figure their integration. They retained company seniority for bidding vacation, and retirement etc. The integration was on occupational seniority for bidding shifts and days off etc.. We got along fine and still do. Why? Well, because most of us realize that these decisions are made well above our pay grade. <_<

somehow a $10 an hour pay raise doesn't amount to much if you're out on the street for 7 years.....

 

[comatose]

This thread has me thinking should I schedule hemroid surgery in case I have one flare up in the next year.

 

[johnny kat]

All of this talk is symbolic of the animosity between the twa folks and aa folks. Say what you will about USAirways F/A's', but AFA rules have been observed to the letter at US because of the Allegheny/Mohawk merger agreement provisions which were the basis of AFA's integration policy to begin with. This policy served very well through all of the modern day mergers involving US Airways including the Trump Shuttle (former Eastern Airlines Flight Attendants ca. 1989). I CAN ASSURE ANYONE THAT DATE OF HIRE IS THE ONLY POLICY THE FLIGHT ATTENDANTS OF US AIRWAYS WILL ACCEPT. PERIOD. END OF STORY. We wrote the policy from the begining and any subsequent ideas of stapling to the bottom will be roundly put down. That is what bonds US F/As more than anything else. This policy is what grew little Allegheny Airlines into one of the fairest best places to work in years gone by. Date of Hire is the only way period, just ask any US Airways flight attendant (including former America West F/As. This policy was the basis for the Mclaire/Caskill ammendment. On a side note It is too bad the pilots @ US and AW were abused by the NIC award. Date of hire only way to go!

 

[lgwcalling]

US Airways F/A here. We have always fought for and respect DOH. Can't see that changing.

 

[eolesen]

Who has more f/as isn't the issue. The aquiring carrier and their own union would work out the agreement between both parties, meaning the aquiring company and it's union regarding stapling/non stapling position they would take. If both parties, meaning both union f/a.s cannot come to an agreement regarding seniority then the McCaskill-Bond bill applys, thanks to the former TWA f/as for that insurance card. .

My, my, my the lack of understanding about representation issues is downright amazing at times....

Who has more F/A's absolutely is the issue.

If more than 35% of the employees in a merged company are represented, a representation election is more or less automatic.

In the AA-TW transaction, the TW employees didn't come close to the 35% threshold. In an AMR-LCC transaction, AA's unions easily outnumber LCC's. AA could probably lay off 30% of their employees and still outnumber LCC.

Without a doubt, representation elections would be held before seniority was addressed, and assuming AA's employees decided to stick with their incumbents, it wouldn't matter what LCC's union's policies are.

 

[johnny kat]

My, my, my the lack of understanding about representation issues is downright amazing at times....

Who has more F/A's absolutely is the issue.

If more than 35% of the employees in a merged company are represented, a representation election is more or less automatic.

In the AA-TW transaction, the TW employees didn't come close to the 35% threshold. In an AMR-LCC transaction, AA's unions easily outnumber LCC's. AA could probably lay off 30% of their employees and still outnumber LCC.

Without a doubt, representation elections would be held before seniority was addressed, and assuming AA's employees decided to stick with their incumbents, it wouldn't matter what LCC's union's policies are.

Putting the cart before the horse. It remains to be seen just how many AA f/as will be be furloughed. And judging from past actions if your scenario were to be the case then a merger would simply never happen. No US F/A would ever go through what the TWA people went through. Things are different now. AA f/as are living in the past about alot of things. The 1980's are over for instance.

 

[eolesen]

Putting the cart before the horse.

Now that's funny.

Just look at all the US employees are over here opining about a merger....

If that's not putting the cart before the horse, I'm not sure what is.

 

[FA Mikey]

Very well said. Its the most complete one sided issue I have ever seen.

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

Now that's funny.

Just look at all the US employees are over here opining about a merger....

If that's not putting the cart before the horse, I'm not sure what is.

Amen, just uninformed people trying to convince other uninformed people.

 

[wrencher]

All of this talk is symbolic of the animosity between the twa folks and aa folks. Say what you will about USAirways F/A's', but AFA rules have been observed to the letter at US because of the Allegheny/Mohawk merger agreement provisions which were the basis of AFA's integration policy to begin with. This policy served very well through all of the modern day mergers involving US Airways including the Trump Shuttle (former Eastern Airlines Flight Attendants ca. 1989). I CAN ASSURE ANYONE THAT DATE OF HIRE IS THE ONLY POLICY THE FLIGHT ATTENDANTS OF US AIRWAYS WILL ACCEPT. PERIOD. END OF STORY. We wrote the policy from the begining and any subsequent ideas of stapling to the bottom will be roundly put down. That is what bonds US F/As more than anything else. This policy is what grew little Allegheny Airlines into one of the fairest best places to work in years gone by. Date of Hire is the only way period, just ask any US Airways flight attendant (including former America West F/As. This policy was the basis for the Mclaire/Caskill ammendment. On a side note It is too bad the pilots @ US and AW were abused by the NIC award. Date of hire only way to go!

AMEN brother I have findly met a true union person on this thread

 

[damajagua]

Given the fact that Us Air employees consider stapling to be unfair and unethical. Would Us Air employees consider it fair and ethical to continue to leave the former TWA f/as stapled to the bottom if both carriers were to combine?

Give it up gasman. It ain't happening.

 

[signals]

My take on the seniority thing is this, and I can be totally wrong, since US would be the buyer, AA f/as would be the new members and therefore they would be at the bottom with a new DOH for that airline. One further step is that since technically they all were hired on the same day, their seniority would be based on their last name. Example is someone whose last name starts with A, would have the seniority over those that start with another letter. So if A has one year and B has 20 years, A would have more seniority.

Now of course this can be totally off, and it would be a union scenario in my situation, but it is how general unions operate.