AA flight attendants

[jimntx]

to reduce their relative boarding priority with respect to other employee groups

Nor does FCS affect this part of the sentence at all. Note it is "with respect to other employee groups." All employee groups will be boarded FCFS. Therefore the contractual phrase has not been violated. Now, if the decision had been that flight attendants board FCFS and all other groups board by seniority, then you would have a case.

 

[AdAstraPerAspera]

It is a big deal to people at US who have been using it all their career, and with FCFS its a disadvantage to hub employees that has never been the case at US.
 
How is it fair that a in-transit passenger now takes priority over a hub employee?

 
Hub employees get the advantage of being able to take the first flight out in the morning before the first arrival bank arrives, which is usually the best flight to nonrev on, anyway… so the benefit to non-hub employees is a wash.

 

[Crash Pad DCA]

 
Hub employees get the advantage of being able to take the first flight out in the morning before the first arrival bank arrives, which is usually the best flight to nonrev on, anyway… so the benefit to non-hub employees is a wash.

I don't think this statement is completely correct. Others from AA have stated that there are routings where a late night arrival at a hub still qualifies for through status on the first hub flight out in the morning..Further, in some instances (especially on US, e.g. PHX-{HNL,OGG,LIH,KOA} and PHL-{CDG,LHR,MAD,LIS,BRU,AMS,DUB,etc})  the first hub flight out in the morning (PHX) or otherwise (PHL, DCA, CLT) is timed to allow for arrivals from the first (or other) bank...So the FCFS benefit is not really a wash.

 

[AdAstraPerAspera]

I don't think this statement is completely correct. Others from AA have stated that there are routings where a late night arrival at a hub still qualifies for through status on the first hub flight out in the morning..Further, in some instances (especially on US, e.g. PHX-{HNL,OGG,LIH,KOA} and PHL-{CDG,LHR,MAD,LIS,BRU,AMS,DUB,etc})  the first hub flight out in the morning (PHX) or otherwise (PHL, DCA, CLT) is timed to allow for arrivals from the first (or other) bank...So the FCFS benefit is not really a wash.

 
True, but (aside from the flights you mentioned, or redeyes when traveling eastbound) you're still having to sleep in a lounge area or putting yourself up in a hotel for the night, so I don't see much appeal in doing that, and I don't think it happens too often in practice.

 

[Crash Pad DCA]

 
True, but (aside from the flights you mentioned, or redeyes when traveling eastbound) you're still having to sleep in a lounge area or putting yourself up in a hotel for the night, so I don't see much appeal in doing that, and I don't think it happens too often in practice.

You have not presented any data to inform or back your assertion/assumption that "It doesn't happen too often in practice". Proof by blithe dismissal does not rule the day. Through status is not a wash for FCFS. Hub employees only benefit if a flight leaves before a valid incoming routing. That's the only fact that can be tested, shown or demonstrated by data. No data has been presented. All other statements are pure speculation or personal opinion.

 

[Crash Pad DCA]

 
 
Why would anyone fight for something that the majority don't want anyway?
 
Pick your battles, live to fight another day-- for the stuff that *actually* matters

civil rights? women's rights? americans with dissabilities? liquor sales on sunday and at bars in Utah? Hmmmm....evidently it actually matters to someone....

 

[AdAstraPerAspera]

Nice try equating a non-rev policy to the struggle for civil rights, but the numbers don't bear it out.
 
More people want FCFS. It's really as simple as that.
 
And not just a few more. A lot more.
 
The majority are not going to be overruled to please a select few senior folks at USAir.

 

[AdAstraPerAspera]

You have not presented any data to inform or back your assertion/assumption that "It doesn't happen too often in practice". Proof by blithe dismissal does not rule the day. Through status is not a wash for FCFS. Hub employees only benefit if a flight leaves before a valid incoming routing. That's the only fact that can be tested, shown or demonstrated by data. No data has been presented. All other statements are pure speculation or personal opinion.

 
I've been nonrevving at carriers with seniority priority and with FCFS, so all I can share with you is the experiences I have had. Seriously, some of you airways folks are making a mountain out of a molehill. you will adapt. you will survive. you may even thrive. But most importantly, you'll get where you need to go.

 

[AdAstraPerAspera]

But if you (or anyone else, for that matter) have a compelling reason why we should adopt a nonrev priority system that only a few people support, I'm all ears.

 

[Crash Pad DCA]

Nice try equating a non-rev policy to the struggle for civil rights, but the numbers don't bear it out.
 
More people want FCFS. It's really as simple as that.
 
And not just a few more. A lot more.
 
The majority are not going to be overruled to please a select few senior folks at USAir.

 
 

 
I've been nonrevving at carriers with seniority priority and with FCFS, so all I can share with you is the experiences I have had. Seriously, some of you airways folks are making a mountain out of a molehill. you will adapt. you will survive. you may even thrive. But most importantly, you'll get where you need to go.

 
 

But if you (or anyone else, for that matter) have a compelling reason why we should adopt a nonrev priority system that only a few people support, I'm all ears.

I posted this data  before. I repeat it here for edification:
 
FCFS/DOH Statistics from
American Airline drops below 60,000 employees for the first time since 1987:

AA 59,574 employees (FTE) FCFS
WN 45,861 employess (FTE) FCFS
UA 83,383 employees (FTE) DOH
DL 72,529 emplyeees (FTE) DOH
US 30,310 employees (FTE) DOH

If I have done the calculations correctly, among the major US arlines, 64% of FTE (full-time equivalent) employees (the majority) presently enjoy DOH boarding, while just 36% enjoy FCFS.

Both systems appears to work - in union and non-union shops.
 
If/when US/AA go to FTFS (First Through First Served) then it becomes 53% DOH vs 47% FCFS (at least until 30K employess from the combined US/AA are let go).
 
I guess I was just reacting to pejorative and dismissive statements such as "And not just a few more. A lot more.The majority are not going to be overruled to please a select few senior folks at USAir", "Seriously, some of you airways folks are making a mountain out of a molehill", and "why we should adopt a nonrev priority system that only a few people support". I need to stop reacting. Clearly everyone can post statements and opinions (factual or not) at very little cost on these forums. I guess it's kind of a pubic service.
 
But back to your challenge. I do not have "a compelling reason why we should adopt a nonrev priority system that only a few people support". Based on the grievances filed by the unions representing certain US bargaining units I would delimit your assertion "only a few people support". That said, I can only say (based on data and cursory observation) that 1. Both system work (data), 2. Both systems appear to have their ardent fans (observation), 3. Pre and post US/AA merger more major US airline employes will be DOH (data).  I cannot conclude that either system is more or less "fairer".
 
ad astra per {DFW,LAX,ORD,MIA,CLT,PHL,PHX?} at least if you live in Kansas...

 

[AdAstraPerAspera]

Even if every single US employee wanted DOH priority (which is hardly the case, and a very generous supposition on my part) FCFS would be favored 2 to 1. I'm just being real. I'm just being practical here.

 

[iluvaa]

Fcfs is all I know been here for 17 years I always get to where I want to go it's really a non issue. There are a lot more bigger issues that will will face in the days to come

 

[AirwAr]

 

 
I posted this data  before. I repeat it here for edification:
 
FCFS/DOH Statistics from
American Airline drops below 60,000 employees for the first time since 1987:

AA 59,574 employees (FTE) FCFS
WN 45,861 employess (FTE) FCFS
UA 83,383 employees (FTE) DOH
DL 72,529 emplyeees (FTE) DOH
US 30,310 employees (FTE) DOH
 

 
Wow, you US Air people really are a bunch of whiny babies.  FCFS is fare.  
 
And don't think for a moment that just because you live in a hub that you won't appreciate the "thru-status" when you travel.  Now that you're with a real global carrier I think you'll find that you're travelling through more than one hub or spoke city on your way to destinations more often than you think.
 
If it makes you feel any better, just think of all those new destinations you US Air people get to go to for free...and all that AA employees got was 30,000 more employees filling our planes.
 

 

[1AA]

 
 
 
 
I posted this data  before. I repeat it here for edification:
 
FCFS/DOH Statistics from
American Airline drops below 60,000 employees for the first time since 1987:

AA 59,574 employees (FTE) FCFS
WN 45,861 employess (FTE) FCFS
UA 83,383 employees (FTE) DOH
DL 72,529 emplyeees (FTE) DOH
US 30,310 employees (FTE) DOH

If I have done the calculations correctly, among the major US arlines, 64% of FTE (full-time equivalent) employees (the majority) presently enjoy DOH boarding, while just 36% enjoy FCFS.

Both systems appears to work - in union and non-union shops.
 
If/when US/AA go to FTFS (First Through First Served) then it becomes 53% DOH vs 47% FCFS (at least until 30K employess from the combined US/AA are let go).
 
I guess I was just reacting to pejorative and dismissive statements such as "And not just a few more. A lot more.The majority are not going to be overruled to please a select few senior folks at USAir", "Seriously, some of you airways folks are making a mountain out of a molehill", and "why we should adopt a nonrev priority system that only a few people support". I need to stop reacting. Clearly everyone can post statements and opinions (factual or not) at very little cost on these forums. I guess it's kind of a pubic service.
 
But back to your challenge. I do not have "a compelling reason why we should adopt a nonrev priority system that only a few people support". Based on the grievances filed by the unions representing certain US bargaining units I would delimit your assertion "only a few people support". That said, I can only say (based on data and cursory observation) that 1. Both system work (data), 2. Both systems appear to have their ardent fans (observation), 3. Pre and post US/AA merger more major US airline employes will be DOH (data).  I cannot conclude that either system is more or less "fairer".
 
ad astra per {DFW,LAX,ORD,MIA,CLT,PHL,PHX?} at least if you live in Kansas...

Those are just numbers of what each airline has. I bet there are many within each airline that prefer FCFS as well as DOH. Try posting results from surveys done at all the airlines and then we can see what the majority prefer.

 

[PullUp]

Wow, you US Air people really are a bunch of whiny babies.  FCFS is fare....

If it makes you feel any better, just think of all those new destinations you US Air people get to go to for free...and all that AA employees got was 30,000 more employees filling our planes.

Speaking of "fare", since AA now has US managment, you no longer have to pay to ride.
And BTW, nice attitude. You got 30K more employees competing for nonrev seats, but if you are any indication, US got 90K AArogant AAssholes competing for our seats.
Welcome aboard.