AA fires mechanics for sleeping on duty

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This is interesting ...


Apparently American Airlines fired five "very senior" mechanics based at LaGuardia Airport who had been sleeping on duty. According to a letter from the Transport Workers Union sent to union members, sleeping was "against company regs, but was knowingly allowed by management to continue unabated for many, many years."

The full story is here
 
This is interesting ...




The full story is here


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FIRST thing that caught my eye from...Reddings letter was,....."Do NOT accept LACK of TIME for not doing your job responsibly. This is not Acceptable(or words to that effect)

Question,

Does that mean.

A. Work FASTER and get the Job done by the FAA manual/AA policy in your 8 hours,....NO QUESTIONS ASKED ??????????

Or,

B. If you can't finish the job within "8", don't hurry the last hour, so you can sign off on it ?


Methinks.."A" !!

(In NY), Great time of the year for SK/ID/FMLA !!!!!!
 
This is interesting ...




The full story is here

This has gone on system-wide for years; now that things are getting tight and (mis)management is facing a layoff, they're looking for brownie points, but the only thing accomplished will be the start of a work-to-rule campaign.

So be it.
 
This has gone on system-wide for years; now that things are getting tight and (mis)management is facing a layoff, they're looking for brownie points, but the only thing accomplished will be the start of a work-to-rule campaign.

So be it.
Unfortunately Goose, I don't think management is going to take a big hit. Did you know the company has gone to the street looking for maintenance shift managers all around the system? It surprised me when I found out.
 
Familiarize yourself with the GPM, especially chapter 13, "SAFETY." Remember, compliance with the GPM and other rules and regulations is a requirement of your job and your license. Use the maintenance manuals and work cards. Do not accept lack of time for not doing a job properly. It is not acceptable. Work safely and protect yourself. Work professional and protect your career. Anything less is unacceptable.
Nothing would leave the ground or it would take twice as long to do something as simple as a tire change.
Maybe the guys at LGA will follow his words to the letter. That should bring the station to a somewhat slowed down pace or better yet a crawl.
 
Unfortunately Goose, I don't think management is going to take a big hit. Did you know the company has gone to the street looking for maintenance shift managers all around the system? It surprised me when I found out.

They just hired three guys off the street here in MIA.
 
Unfortunately Goose, I don't think management is going to take a big hit. Did you know the company has gone to the street looking for maintenance shift managers all around the system? It surprised me when I found out.

Joe, I didn't really believe they would take a hit. What would happen to American without all of the productive management personnel?

Perhaps when there are 200-400 management personnel to every man working on the floor (not to mention 300-400 VPs per aircraft) this company might be able to make a buck or two, but until then ... we're basically screwed and are destined to lose money right and left, having only mechanics to keep the airplanes flying.

Only 1 or 2 (maybe three) mechanics per airplane and the previously mentioned ratios of management/aircraft and management/workers ought to be enough to return the airline to profitability in short order, don't you think?
 
I agree that we should "WORK TO RULE" as per "ALL" manuals...I only wish my fellow F/A's and the pilots would also do the same....If the company is wanting us to follow the book..Then I say, by all means, lets do that...Now let me try and find each piece of emergency equipment, and check to make sure all is there and working. No passengers onboard till my duties are complete!
 
Joe, I didn't really believe they would take a hit. What would happen to American without all of the productive management personnel?

Perhaps when there are 200-400 management personnel to every man working on the floor (not to mention 300-400 VPs per aircraft) this company might be able to make a buck or two, but until then ... we're basically screwed and are destined to lose money right and left, having only mechanics to keep the airplanes flying.

Only 1 or 2 (maybe three) mechanics per airplane and the previously mentioned ratios of management/aircraft and management/workers ought to be enough to return the airline to profitability in short order, don't you think?
No question. The profits should just skyrocket from that minute forward...LOL!
 
I agree that we should "WORK TO RULE" as per "ALL" manuals...I only wish my fellow F/A's and the pilots would also do the same....If the company is wanting us to follow the book..Then I say, by all means, lets do that...Now let me try and find each piece of emergency equipment, and check to make sure all is there and working. No passengers onboard till my duties are complete!

That's just it... I've heard this line before in this forum but when management goes "by the book" you all start crying foul. What's good for the goose...
 
That's just it... I've heard this line before in this forum but when management goes "by the book" you all start crying foul. What's good for the goose...


Yes on the goose analogy but then again management should not complain when the book is thrown in their face.
 
No need to work to rule.

Just bring in the Tulsa Base recent cases of "sleeping in the job".

Show the Arbitrator where 60 year Crew Chief Mechanic was caught sleeping on the job and only given a first advisory, which resulted in other "sleepers" being brought back with back pay. This policy should apply to mechanics working LGA?

I think it would be foolish to argue that management has condoned this practice in the past, however, this type of arguement was successful during the AFW Hooter Gate hearings.

After the recent FAA MD-80 debacle, work to rule should be an everyday policy.
 
No need to work to rule.

Just bring in the Tulsa Base recent cases of "sleeping in the job".

Show the Arbitrator where 60 year Crew Chief Mechanic was caught sleeping on the job and only given a first advisory, which resulted in other "sleepers" being brought back with back pay. This policy should apply to mechanics working LGA?

I think it would be foolish to argue that management has condoned this practice in the past, however, this type of arguement was successful during the AFW Hooter Gate hearings.

After the recent FAA MD-80 debacle, work to rule should be an everyday policy.

Sleeping on the job, you should be fired, no, if, and, or buts. The Unions should not make an attempt to get your job back if you are caught. You should be done, finished. Whats so hard to understand about that??????
 
Sleeping on the job, you should be fired, no, if, and, or buts. The Unions should not make an attempt to get your job back if you are caught. You should be done, finished. Whats so hard to understand about that??????
Especially when there are plenty of us out there who would never think of kicking back and grabbing a nap while on duty. The fact that this is even being defended gives the rest of us a bad image industry wide. What is wrong with this picture?
 

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