AA and APFA expidite talks
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BigBangTheory
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I would be out of here as well, if AA offers an early out. According to SE (JFK CH) the APFA did present the UA and DL early out packages to AA. She said that AA is reviewing both of them to possibly put a package together.
It's not just you BigBang, but everybody that makes this statement irritates the hell out of me. I trust those that take a leave 1) don't need the money and 2) don't want to do this job. I highly doubt any leave takers are doing it simply for altruistic reasons to "save a job". In your case you said you have another job so I'm guessing you quaify for both 1) and 2).
Interesting that SE hasn't been the base chair for about a little over a month and a half. Here's the doom and gloom from our base chair CC.
To all JFK F/As:
The purpose of this is to share with you credible and official information. While it seems that every rumor has an element of truth to it, please do not fold to the most recent wave of rumors and galley gossip. There are rumors out there that the company will be furloughing 2,000 to 3,000 F/As. At this time, there is no fact behind these rumors and is only causing confusion, grief and concern to the membership, specially to our most junior members. The company plans to have all the capacity reductions for the fall schedule around the 3rd week of June. Once that information is available, then they will be able to determine the system headcount needed. That process will also take some weeks and then APFA will be notified of any system headcount overage. If that is the case, rest assure that your union, APFA, will enforce our contractual rights pertaining reduction in force (i.e. leaves, partnership flying, etc). As soon as I have more official information, I will share it with all of you.
Our base is very diverse and with specific needs. More than 50% of the base commutes, LGA being the primary airport. The domestic operation will be impacted by the retirement of an unspecified amount of S-80ʼs a/c. Not only is hard for us, especially the ones that live in an expensive city, to make ends meet under the current concessionary wages, now these schedule reductions adds extra hardship to those who are forced to commute. The mainline operation out of Puerto Rico will be cut by 50%, affecting a significant amount of F/As that commutes out of SJU. There has not being an official notification on how this reduction will affect our SJU-JFK flying, but SJU-EWR will be cancelled. The cancellation of this departure will also affect a large population of F/As that live in NJ & PA. Currently in our bidsheet there is another sequence that we fly out of EWR, thru MIA, and at this time I donʼt have any information on that specific departure.
JFK-STN will cease operations on July 2nd. Losing a destination is never easy, especially when it comes with no warning in advance. Currently, Iʼm in conversation with the company to see how this will affect our July bidsheet. There are several options on the table including shifting flying over, offering more PVDs, monthly bid leaves and domestic fall offs. These will be considered for the month of July and August. Also is in discussion the JFK proffer of 12 F/As, effective July 2nd.
This is an extraordinary difficult time for all of us, but I will continue to fight as hard as I can for our base, JFK, along with #### and ####. This will pass and weʼll prevail.
In Solidarity & Unity,
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BigBangTheory
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Actually, I do need the money and I also want my job as a f/a. However, I can afford to take a year off and yes I would do it to save a job for someone else. It will be a stretch for the year but, I can do it. I enjoy my career as a f/a but, if they did offer a great early out I would take it. The reason being is that it may be the best offer we see in a long time.
Not every f/a who is senior follows your beliefs above.
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BigBangTheory
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I saw SE about a week ago in ops. That's what she told me. I didn't even know she was no longer our chair.
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Possible 2 year deal for AA flight attendants
If the possible 2 year deal does not get what we gave up back in 2003, I will vote NO!
If the possible 2 year deal does not get what we gave up back in 2003, I will vote NO!
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I don't see how that is possible right now. If both an early buyout plan and some immediate relief are negotiated, this would at least allow those FA's who gave up the most to decide which option works best for them.
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We will be presented with something that apparently gives us a $4-$5/hr raise with some "changes" to work rules. By the time the company jacks up the insurance premiums, etc., I doubt that next January we will even notice that a "raise" was given in July.
I understand your vote is your vote, but dont you think that is highly unrealistic to think for a 2 year extension that the company will reinstate the changes to the old CBA?
Agree. While I don't advocate further concessions, I'm surprised that any employees actually think that concession restoration is within the realm of possible outcomes right now. I'm a little surprised that the TWU was offered small signing bonuses and not further paycuts. Same with the FAs.
Realistically (at least IMO), concession restoration wouldn't be offered if AMR were on track to make profits of half a billion this year, let alone now that it's on target to lose perhaps $2 billion or more.
I'm stunned at just how out of touch so many people are. AMR is likely staring down the barrel of a Ch 11 filing within a year, and this one won't be optional - no amount of employee concessions will prevent it. I know lots of employees say with swagger - "bring it on" but I'm also certain that Ch 11 will be an eye-opener to the "I'm voting no if I don't get it all back now" crowd.
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<_< ----- It seems to me the best option AMR has right now is some sort of buy out. Retire us old timers, and bring in new blood, at lower wages! Ford, and GM both went that route! Problem is AMR is like that monkey with his hand in a jar, holding a banana! He's stock, and the only way he'll go free is if he let's go of that banana! So your saying AMR would rather go into bankruptcy than let go of some of those concessions? Because that's what it may take!!! Been there twice, not fun, but still here!
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Unfortunately for the new guys, that is what might just happen. The "old timers" in the quest to preserve what they had, sold out the future employees years ago thus starting the downward spiral in wage and benefits the current employees now find themselves in. Why, because it was easy to do. I congratulate the way you guys looked out for the future of the industry.
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<_< ------ Joe, Fact of life! One doesn't start out in this business at the top of the pay scale! By retiring the old farts, and bringing in "new blood", it would be just that! At the prevailing "starting wage"! Retiring the old generation, making way for the new! What's wrong with that? ------ Sounds like a win/win to me!!!
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While starting at the lower pay and progessing upward is normal, the fact is that persons long retired (or some maybe still working for the company),
voted in a B scale years ago. The resulting lower wages and benefits that was stuck on these persons that were yet to be employed by the company has hurt the industry in the long term. Once the first concession was made oh so may years ago, is became real easy for the company to come back for more using the same hammer (and that hammer gets larger each time). There is nothing wrong with offering an early out for the old timers, in fact it's not a bad idea. But, current employees have got to stop giving away the house by lowering the pay/benefits for potential new people in the effort to not loose the pay/benefits they currently enjoy. I say that because what you do to the new guy, the company is eventually going to do the same to you.
