A.M.F.A. support at the line stations?

[Gman10]

Gless #2228 on seniority list. AMT JFK
Videtich #4719. AMT DFW

 

[Overspeed]

The Jr. Mech program is and was not a TWU program, it is a basic requirement of the FAA and the airlines are given the ability to hire these mechanics, where they can continue their training. The Multi-Pay Scales are/were a TWU tool to allow the Seniority to make higher wages at the expense of the Juniority. I really do care if a Fleet Service Clerk becomes a union local president. If that is what you believe aviation maintenance is about, you are truly lost. Men and Women of our military come back from their duty only to be slapped in the face because industrial unionism says that they can have a job if they agree to half wages so real union men, can say " I got mine brother ".
There are many new mechanics that were guards or worked for the company is some other aspect that kept some mechanics who wanted the chance you speak of. Yes they are fine mechanics, but the was never their intent. As for the C-Scale and those in the military, the TWU could not even get that right, holding these mechanics to a thrust to weight ratio of a Piper Cub after working on Jet Fighters.
And again allowing a Fleet Service or whatever other than mechanic to pass those with experience and then become a union president. You boys have got some real problems.

I have at least one "solution", to rid the mechanics of industrial unionism and allow for a free choice for representation. Why don't you step up and promote an election and see if the mechanics want to stay with the TWU? or are you to busy having coffee with the Teamsters?

I am pretty good at "Rock Throwing", is the new Local 514 hall made of glass?

Look at me, Look at me, it's Ernest T.

Jr Mechanic an AA program? Sadly mistaken. Mechanics were hired unlicensed on the line for years until the GPM was change to require an A&P I believe in the mid 80's. The FAA still does not require all AMTs that work the line to have a license under 121 and 145 however their work must be signed for by a licensed AMT. The experience credit was put in place to set a minimum set of standards for one to be hired in under the AMT scale. Jr's were supposed to work side by side with a licensed AMT for 18 months to gain the skills and experience to work alone. Now this did not happen according to the program design. It was not a multi tiered pay scale as you put it.

I believe if one wants to take the effort to go to school while working as a FSC and then use the benefit of TWU/AA time to transfer before someone off the street is hired is a good thing. You can train skills, bad attitudes are usually ingrained in the person buck long before they got here. Taking the time to work and go to school to improve one's standing is a good indicator of a good attitude.

The TWU did get it right on the thrust to weight ratio problem. A credit review panel was set up to give the appropriate credit. I know many former military mechanics who were adjusted right up to the AMT scale where they should have been all along.

If there is an election, I am very confident industrial unionism will end up on top. While I prefer to stay with the TWU the majority of line AMTs I talk to when they found out about the IBT stated up front they would rather have the them than AMFA. Yes there is a lot of dissatisfaction with the TWU but I would just say this, who owns that?

AMFA had their opportunity to show their value. After losing 90% of their members jobs and retirement they really showed how "great" they are at delivering. You call the TWU as the "I got mine brother" union well what about AMFA? With 10% of their original members getting top pay at the expense of the other 90%'s jobs, AMFA truly is the best at, "I got mine brother."

 

[aapitbull]

If there is an election, I am very confident industrial unionism will end up on top. While I prefer to stay with the TWU the majority of line AMTs I talk to when they found out about the IBT stated up front they would rather have the them than AMFA. Yes there is a lot of dissatisfaction with the TWU but I would just say this, who owns that?

AMFA had their opportunity to show their value. After losing 90% of their members jobs and retirement they really showed how "great" they are at delivering. You call the TWU as the "I got mine brother" union well what about AMFA? With 10% of their original members getting top pay at the expense of the other 90%'s jobs, AMFA truly is the best at, "I got mine brother."

I find a couple of things interesting with your post first you say you are at DFW and work on Etops airplanes well all but one of the international guys have signed AMFA cards and the one who did not is a TWU guy but he is not a internet guy like you so there is something fishy about your story. Second you say the line guys you talked to prefer IBT well we have over 800 of the 900 plus guys signed to AMFA cards and I have not heard a single thing postive about the IBT here at DFW there are some IAM cards being signed by the ex TWA guys because they have promised to get them their seniority back if there is a merger but that is it. So you must have lied about where you are or what you do or you have signed a AMFA card so which is it? by the way we will get all but about 20 to 25 guys signed at DFW you can bet the house on that.

 

[TWU informer]

You mean industrial unionist have to lie about who they are and what their motives are for posting here? And even have to lie about who supports the POS TWU and their lapdog alliance the IBT??

Say it Aint So!

 

[Anomaly]

Anomaly Posted

For years and years AMFA began an airline campaign promising to exclude certain groups from representation. That should have been my first clue and an insight to this self righteous association.

By the way Anomaly the teamsters are here telling the Mechanics they only want them not Fleet or Store's, as we both know this is a lie. Would you not call this self righteous, hell they probably could all ready have the required cards for store's but that would expose the truth when they did not file them, so even though they have proven over the years the will represent just about anybody, here in Tulsa they tell three Store's guys straight to their face no thanks we do not want you. What gives.

AMFA's goal was to exclude certain groups from the class and craft. I should have made that more clear, but I think you know this.

 

[TWU informer]

AMFA's goal was to exclude certain groups from the class and craft. I should have made that more clear, but I think you know this.

Why do you continue to post what you do not mean?
Your opinions change as the debate progesses.

 

[aapitbull]

AMFA's goal was to exclude certain groups from the class and craft. I should have made that more clear, but I think you know this.

Thanks for deflecting we are not talking about our craft and class we are disscussing Fleet,Store's,Fa's& Pilots they are not part of our craft and AMFA cannot organize them, but your catch all union the IBT can and has and the question is why are the Fleet & Store's unworthy of the IBT at AA? When you represent them at dozens of other companys. Many unions have fought over what makes up the different class and crafts over the years and you know that this issue has been decided since the 60's, just tell me why you do not want the store's clerks at AA.

 

[Anomaly]

Thanks for deflecting we are not talking about our craft and class we are disscussing Fleet,Store's,Fa's& Pilots they are not part of our craft and AMFA cannot organize them, but your catch all union the IBT can and has and the question is why are the Fleet & Store's unworthy of the IBT at AA? When you represent them at dozens of other companys. Many unions have fought over what makes up the different class and crafts over the years and you know that this issue has been decided since the 60's, just tell me why you do not want the store's clerks at AA.

It was no deflection at all. We were talking about two different subjects. True, AMFA does not represent Ramp, but they have attempted at least in the past to remove the cleaners who are designated under the NMB as part of the mechanics class and craft. I was merely pointing out that fact.

 

[aapitbull]

It was no deflection at all. We were talking about two different subjects. True, AMFA does not represent Ramp, but they have attempted at least in the past to remove the cleaners who are designated under the NMB as part of the mechanics class and craft. I was merely pointing out that fact.

You where not deflecting? but thats twice that you have not answered why the store's clerks are unworthy of the IBT. Yes back in the 60's AMFA fought to have mechanic's only craft and class just like the Pilot's and FA's, but I guess in your Industrial Union Eye's that was wrong, well that like everything else you post is your opinion and not one I share, but I do accept the current class and craft and will work within the rules as they are currently written and like I said AMFA is not the only union to argue the make up of some craft and classes as defined by the NMB.

So once again why are the Store's clerks unworthy of the IBT at AA when you guys represent them at other carriers?

 

[Brain]

Hey AMFA is the Best!!! I am a Member...... This means I now have the power to Help my Fellow BROTHERS get rid of those that don't live up to our standards. And if need be to spend whatever it takes to do it.

 

[Anomaly]

You where not deflecting? but thats twice that you have not answered why the store's clerks are unworthy of the IBT. Yes back in the 60's AMFA fought to have mechanic's only craft and class just like the Pilot's and FA's, but I guess in your Industrial Union Eye's that was wrong, well that like everything else you post is your opinion and not one I share, but I do accept the current class and craft and will work within the rules as they are currently written and like I said AMFA is not the only union to argue the make up of some craft and classes as defined by the NMB.

So once again why are the Store's clerks unworthy of the IBT at AA when you guys represent them at other carriers?

Incorrect. In the early days of AMFA (the 60's) the association sought to represent A&P Licensed mechanics only. They change that idea as time went on , but as late as the mid 90's, each campaign here at UAL started with an appeal to the NMB to have the cleaners removed as part of the class and craft.

 

[TWU informer]

Incorrect. In the early days of AMFA (the 60's) the association sought to represent A&P Licensed mechanics only. They change that idea as time went on , but as late as the mid 90's, each campaign here at UAL started with an appeal to the NMB to have the cleaners removed as part of the class and craft.

Please provide a link to the NMB cases you are talking about.

 

[aapitbull]

Incorrect. In the early days of AMFA (the 60's) the association sought to represent A&P Licensed mechanics only. They change that idea as time went on , but as late as the mid 90's, each campaign here at UAL started with an appeal to the NMB to have the cleaners removed as part of the class and craft.

Still not a single word about why our store's clerks are unworthy of the mighty IBT!!!!

 

[TWU informer]

With this said, I think I am done with this subject, and do not wish to engage in any more of this back and forth silliness. I might start to be more involved in other threads until they too become redundant. Since I first responded to this page, I have developed a strong opinion that interested mechanics should know the other side of belonging to a Fraternal Association. It is not worth the price of admission. AMFA is a poor implementation of a good idea.

 

[TWU informer]

Blaaa di de blaaa blaaa blaaa. Brother, you sound like too many ideologist who have simply lost their way during a fight. It is funny how you whine on and on about the Unions who have done nothing more than try to protect you, yet YOU say nothing about those very corporations who harm. No Vote - No Support, I beg you to tell me how exactly, or when AMFA has truly supported any member on the ropes. Just give me ONE example? They do not fight corporations period . Nor do they fight for their general membership. AMFA makes deals to protect whats left. Is that what you want? To protect yourself? In that case, my apologies sir, vote AMFA, save your own single self righteous hide. After all, that is what the association is all about. Protecting the few at the expense of ALL.

Actually AMFA supported myself and 6 others usiing Lee Seham quite well against American Airlines in a federal lawsuit because of lack of a neutrality. So you can go bark your pathetic lies elsewhere. You speak organizer jargon, I speak of FACTS!

The last thing I want is to have to join the Teamsters for a Democratic Union to attempt to force another industrial union to allow the members to have a voice in the direction of a Union.

I bet Chris Moore and Robert Fisher are appointed stooges like we have so many of in the TWU.

Looking forward to this fight and exposure of the failures of industrial catch all unions.

You complain about AMFA's high wage all call it at the expense of many, but you damn sure refuse to come and work for TWU paltry pay and benefits who has a low pay at the expense of all in the profession.

And TWU members are resigning right and left to go work at Southwest and be represented by that Craft Union of which you are so opposed.

How much are you getting paid to be an appointed stooge in an undemocratic brotherhood to come here and sell your attempt at a "TWU BAILOUT"?