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A.M.F.A. support at the line stations?

ThirdSeatHero said:
So by your reasoning the ibt is as equally guilty then, as they raided Horizon when they were in negotiations, and they are raiding American while they are both in Bankruptcy and negotiations.

Yet you support the teamsters then find fault in AMFA for the same thing.
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Got you there anamoly.

Credibility: -3
 
DonnaU said:
Jabord, you guys at ORD do have a tougher time on the wage issue. It's much more expensive to live there than TUL. It does take away from family life also. Other cities are also much more costly too. I see your between a rock and a hard place. I do have pride in my career, i take no shortcuts and do things by the book,as my co-workers do. Its easier with a good crew, chief and supervisor. Hopefully the out stations will get a pay increase to live in a higher cost area!
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I appreciate your point of view and I gotta say, I respect you gals that come to work daily in what some guys can make as an uncomfortable enviroment.Something for you to think about, the success of the TWU to keep a foot hold on representing us can be attributed to their lack of teaching us what true Unionism means.I believe this is a calculated strategy to dummy down our craft and making folks lazy regarding engagement in Union functions. We can't just cross our fingers and "hopefully the out stations will get a pay increase to live.." wish things better. Union=Unity and I for one look forward toward participaing with AMFA to help us to hold our heads high once again.
 
DonnaU said:
Ken, who is Bobby Gless?
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DonnaU,

You are not an AMT I see. Gless is an appointed, unaccountable twu international officer who does not live under my contract and does not take a pay cut when I lose pay and benefits. he is an indivdual who had the position he was appointed to created because he could not get re-elected at the local level. He is an individual who told AMTs to "lower your expectations in negotiations" knowing full well he had NO FEAR of losing his pay or benefits because as an appointed, unaccountable twu international officer he is immune to the membership's sacrifices.
 
Ken MacTiernan said:
DonnaU,

You are not an AMT I see. Gless is an appointed, unaccountable twu international officer who does not live under my contract and does not take a pay cut when I lose pay and benefits. he is an indivdual who had the position he was appointed to created because he could not get re-elected at the local level. He is an individual who told AMTs to "lower your expectations in negotiations" knowing full well he had NO FEAR of losing his pay or benefits because as an appointed, unaccountable twu international officer he is immune to the membership's sacrifices.
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DonnaU, I might know you.

Ken, do not give all TWU un represented mechanics a clear shot on who Gless is....
 
Buck said:
DonnaU, I might know you.

Ken, do not give all TWU un represented mechanics a clear shot on who Gless is....
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Buck,
I have never heard of Gless??. Ken doesn't think I am an AMT. I started as an AC cleaner, then Jr. Mech, then Mech. I've always been a Title 1. I don't know how he would know that I wasn"t an AMT??
 
DonnaU said:
Buck,
I have never heard of Gless??. Ken doesn't think I am an AMT. I started as an AC cleaner, then Jr. Mech, then Mech. I've always been a Title 1. I don't know how he would know that I wasn"t an AMT??
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All of the officers bios are available at http://www.twu.org under the Air Transport Division, however if you are seeking all the information on the TWU International officers, you might try http://www.representationnow.com .

Being that you were a Jr. Mech at one time, would make you familiar with the multiple pay scales that have been negotiated by the TWU and could understand why I and many others do not understand when you say you have had it well.
 
Buck said:
All of the officers bios are available at http://www.twu.org under the Air Transport Division, however if you are seeking all the information on the TWU International officers, you might try http://www.representationnow.com .

Being that you were a Jr. Mech at one time, would make you familiar with the multiple pay scales that have been negotiated by the TWU and could understand why I and many others do not understand when you say you have had it well.
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If you are saying the Jr Mech program is one of the "multiple pay scales" that have been created you would be wrong. If DonnaU was to have gone through A&P school and while being an AC Cleaner then how was she going to become and AMT without experience? Go work somewhere else? Lose seniority? If someone choses to better themselves don't they deserve a chance? The Jr AMT program helped people like Ruiz at 564 move from a fleet service clerk to a president of a Local and negotiate a contract for Title I with no prior experience working on jets.

Buck you have plenty of complaints but little in the way of solutions. Keep throwing rocks, it's really working for you.
 
Overspeed said:
If you are saying the Jr Mech program is one of the "multiple pay scales" that have been created you would be wrong. If DonnaU was to have gone through A&P school and while being an AC Cleaner then how was she going to become and AMT without experience? Go work somewhere else? Lose seniority? If someone choses to better themselves don't they deserve a chance? The Jr AMT program helped people like Ruiz at 564 move from a fleet service clerk to a president of a Local and negotiate a contract for Title I with no prior experience working on jets.

Buck you have plenty of complaints but little in the way of solutions. Keep throwing rocks, it's really working for you.
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The Jr. Mech program is and was not a TWU program, it is a basic requirement of the FAA and the airlines are given the ability to hire these mechanics, where they can continue their training. The Multi-Pay Scales are/were a TWU tool to allow the Seniority to make higher wages at the expense of the Juniority. I really do care if a Fleet Service Clerk becomes a union local president. If that is what you believe aviation maintenance is about, you are truly lost. Men and Women of our military come back from their duty only to be slapped in the face because industrial unionism says that they can have a job if they agree to half wages so real union men, can say " I got mine brother ".
There are many new mechanics that were guards or worked for the company is some other aspect that kept some mechanics who wanted the chance you speak of. Yes they are fine mechanics, but the was never their intent. As for the C-Scale and those in the military, the TWU could not even get that right, holding these mechanics to a thrust to weight ratio of a Piper Cub after working on Jet Fighters.
And again allowing a Fleet Service or whatever other than mechanic to pass those with experience and then become a union president. You boys have got some real problems.

I have at least one "solution", to rid the mechanics of industrial unionism and allow for a free choice for representation. Why don't you step up and promote an election and see if the mechanics want to stay with the TWU? or are you to busy having coffee with the Teamsters?

I am pretty good at "Rock Throwing", is the new Local 514 hall made of glass?

Look at me, Look at me, it's Ernest T.
 
For the record Overspeed has confused the Junior Mechanic program which was an additional payscale reduction for AA based on weight/thrust experience...

..with...

The Apprentice Program which is the program that allowed non-licensed employees to move shop to shop and/or dock to dock to obtain the experience required to meet FAA guidelines for obtaining license testing approval.

The Junior Mechanic was pay driven.
The Apprentice Program was experience driven.
 
DonnaU said:
Buck,
I have never heard of Gless??. Ken doesn't think I am an AMT. I started as an AC cleaner, then Jr. Mech, then Mech. I've always been a Title 1. I don't know how he would know that I wasn"t an AMT??
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DonnaU,

I figured that everyone in M&E at AA under the twu knew who gless was. My mistake. Glad I could inform you of who this appointed, unaccountable indivdual is.
 
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