You keep going back to the MRO's...Yes I think they should have gone after the MRO's but they had a hard enough time fighting off the efforts and deep pockets of the industrial unions and the airlines who wanted AMFA gone since they were not the "LAPDOGS" they current unions out there seem to be. Why I became a mechanic I will never know..If I had known when I got my A@P that the unions and the NMB were working so hard to keep mechanics down I would have NEVER gone into this and to this day I dissuade young ones from going into this field...The IAm TWu and the IBt should hang there F'kng heads in shame. They have NEVER represented the AMT or respected the A@P I refer to the IAm famous quote "my drivers license is the same as your A@P" and the also famous " a loaf of bread costs the same for everybody" bullshit. If I had been smart I would have got my ADX dispatch license 20+ yrs ago and went there instead of getting my ADX now at almost 50. I would have had my own union representing only US..Would have only invested 6 weeks and 200 hrs instead of 2 yrs and 2000 hrs to make better money, more respect, never having to work in the weather or on shitters and have jumpseat priviledges on not only my carrier but others while the AMT is left at the gate watching the plane leave the gate cuz he can't get on....Tell me why anyone should be a mechanic and why your crappy unions representing those AMT's should invest any time and money pursuing this trade? Better off staying on the F'kn ramp.
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You keep going back to the MRO's...Yes I think they should have gone after the MRO's but they had a hard enough time fighting off the efforts and deep pockets of the industrial unions and the airlines who wanted AMFA gone since they were not the "LAPDOGS" they current unions out there seem to be. Why I became a mechanic I will never know..If I had known when I got my A@P that the unions and the NMB were working so hard to keep mechanics down I would have NEVER gone into this and to this day I dissuade young ones from going into this field...The IAm TWu and the IBt should hang there F'kng heads in shame. They have NEVER represented the AMT or respected the A@P I refer to the IAm famous quote "my drivers license is the same as your A@P" and the also famous " a loaf of bread costs the same for everybody" bullshit. If I had been smart I would have got my ADX dispatch license 20+ yrs ago and went there instead of getting my ADX now at almost 50. I would have had my own union representing only US..Would have only invested 6 weeks and 200 hrs instead of 2 yrs and 2000 hrs to make better money, more respect, never having to work in the weather or on shitters and have jumpseat priviledges on not only my carrier but others while the AMT is left at the gate watching the plane leave the gate cuz he can't get on....Tell me why anyone should be a mechanic and why your crappy unions representing those AMT's should invest any time and money pursuing this trade? Better off staying on the F'kn ramp.
Overspeed
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AMFA is not a lapdog? You're right. NWA, UAL, and AS management turned them in to road kill.
Yep was a consorted effort to kill them no doubt with the help of said unions since AMFA actually wanted to further the craft but was not to be..Again I ask you why anyone would should EVER consider this as a hell I cant even say career since your kind has turned it into a F'n job. Just glad I make a 6 figure salary at a NON-UNION company and I thank AMFA at NWA for it since they raised the bar in 2001..Something the IBt, IAm and TWu has never done.
AMEN!!!
Anomaly
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I find it completely interesting that of all the blame you assign for our inability to keep up with inflation, CORPORATIONS receive none of it. Last I saw, it was the board of directors, and not the Union or the NMB who initiated bankruptcy at American Airlines.
I am a mechanic because I love aircraft. When I started in this business close to three decades ago, I knew the turmoil then. It has only gotten worse. I still like wrenching on planes though. Give me an all night engine change any day. You can have the ramp.
Anomaly
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The Corporations killed AMFA at these properties, not the other Unions. You are drinking too much Scott Walker cool aid. Airlines and corporations and lawmakers and the general public are attacking ALLLLLL UNIONS.
AMFA was to weak to stand up against them.
THEY STILL ARE.
From Wikepedia
http://en.wikipedia....e_United_States
Popularity
Public approval of unions climbed during the 1980s much as it did in other industrialized nations,[sup] [/sup]but declined to below 50% for the first time in 2009 during the Great Recession. It's not clear if this is a long term trend or a function of a high unemployment rate with historically correlates with lower public approval of labor unions.[sup] [/sup]One explanation for loss of public support is simply the lack of union power or critical mass. No longer do a sizable percentage of American workers belonged to unions, or have family members who do. Unions no longer carry the “threat effect”. The power of unions to raise wages of non-union shops by virtue of the threat of unions to organize those shops.
Also, from the Daily Beast,
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/02/23/wisconsin-union-fight-15-states-ready-to-follow-suit.html
16 States Going to War on Unions
Feb 23, 2011 6:52 PM EST
With Wisconsin locked in a union battle, The Daily Beast looks at the 15 states that could blow up next and crunches the numbers to find whether they're really on shaky financial footing—or playing politics.
TWU informer
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It indeed has only gotten worse.
And it has been the industrial unions while claiming strength in numbers and a war chest full of cash for a strike fund, that has represented the majority of the profession during that "getting worse" time frame.
We expect the corporations to be involved at cutting our throats, that is why we seek unionization to begin with. To counter the corporations and greedy capitalist.
What we do not expect is for someone like yourself who will raise our union dues, to fail misreably at countering those corporations, all the while selling us a bag of crap for a union and tellings lies and pure bullshit beliefs and blame to stop us from making a change to a different direction.
In this post you admit why we need unions, and then admit the industrial unions have failed.
Why hasn't your 1.5 million membership, with your war chest strike fund, and all your political clout stopped the corporations from making it worse and also have not changed the bankruptcy laws that you blame? Is this not what you claim the teamsters are good at doing?
Your kind and the tactics of the powerful teamsters union has failed to counter that problematic corporate power you speak of and here you are whimpering about it like a beaten dog trying to get us to join you. Really?
Anomaly
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It is amazing how you openly embrace the corporations. Never a hint of blame in their direction.
You acknowledge their ruthlessness, but not much else. How sad you must be.
More Kool-Aid??
TWU informer
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Read my post again you liar. I said "We expect the corporations to be involved at cutting our throats, that is why we seek unionization to begin with. To counter the corporations and greedy capitalist."
It is the FAILED INDUSTRIAL UNIONISM that we never expected or prepared for.
Ken MacTiernan
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As per the topic of this thread:
SAN close to 100% signed AMFA cards. With different days off and shifts I'll get the remaining four people. Teamsters aren't anywhere to be seen.
SAN close to 100% signed AMFA cards. With different days off and shifts I'll get the remaining four people. Teamsters aren't anywhere to be seen.
American Workers Union
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Does AMFA represent the cabin apperance techs at SWA.
Do they have A&P's.
Are they only a Craft Union or do they take any one group that wants to join.
Mighty Mouse do you look like that in person.
Is your nickname RAT.
Do they have A&P's.
Are they only a Craft Union or do they take any one group that wants to join.
Mighty Mouse do you look like that in person.
Is your nickname RAT.
TWU informer
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The National Mediation Board Determines the craft or class.
And per the AMFA Constitution any workers determined by the Fedreal Government to have a mutuality of interest with the mechanics will be included in the AMFA membership.
CRAFT or Class is not a choice, it is mandated by Federal Law witth determination made by the N.M.B.
Stock Clerks, Baggage Handlers have been determined to not have mutuality of interest and are not in the CRAFT or class.
High Speed Steel
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As a welder. You will have "limited mutuality" within the AMFA, since you don't inhabit "the branch of the trade"..... :huh:
Anomaly
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Sweet. And maybe when they all vote AMFA, you can help these workers buy having them donate to buy another Charles Taylor Bust.
That's the ticket.
TWU informer
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Another lie, now I know who is spreading that one. At least try to defend your industrial union with facts.
It is OK to be an induistrial unionist but at least defend with the facts instead of lies.
Whatever happened to that bee-hive you were going to kick over if your skill pay was not given parity with the license pay? Another HSS threat? Or was that just a lie to attempt to get things your way too? You are about to get 35-40% outsourced work and that has been your staple of TWU support, now what it is going to be your support line to hang your hat on?
