AMFA will never take hold at TULE, we've been down that road.
A.M.F.A. support at the line stations?
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AMFA will never take hold at TULE, we've been down that road.
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So by your reasoning the ibt is as equally guilty then, as they raided Horizon when they were in negotiations, and they are raiding American while they are both in Bankruptcy and negotiations.
Yet you support the teamsters then find fault in AMFA for the same thing.
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You say that yet we filed enough cards while traveling the previous road, and the TWU/AA/NMB used the TWA acquisition and the use of dead, retired, resigned employees along with fueler qualified fleet service clerks in stations that TWU had allowed outsource of all fueling operations.
TWU even claimed that a grievance case would be put on in arbitration that might change the status of some TWA employees. Arbitration Case still has not been heard to this day.
Another negative minded naysayer that is typical of any movement to change the culture.
That is OK DonnaU after years and years of failed representation there are many with a glass that is half empty every minute of every day.
You have two choices here, stick with the TWU, or insure an election by signing an AMFA card.
I doubt the Teamsters will ever file for an election against the TWU unless AMFA files first.
If there is no AMFA filing, you will never get a ballot for change!
I agree with how you see your time at AA/TWU. But my experience has been very, very good despite all the years and years of failed representation.
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You must be an AMR Executive, or a TWU International appointee, or one of those lucky to have a job brother unskilled workers.
Which are you?
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I am curious. Did you start your AA career or even before in the Maintenance and Related group?
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ARE YOU ONE OF THESE?
FEAR IS NOT REAL
- Fear of failure
Resistance to change may be rooted in fear. During periods of change, some union members may feel the need to cling to the past because it was a more secure, predictable time. If what they did in the past worked well for them, they may resist changing their behavior out of fear that they will not achieve as much in the future.
- Creatures of habit
Doing things in the same routine, predictable manner is comfortable. Asking union members to change the way they operate or think is asking them to move outside their comfort zone.
- No obvious need
Some union members may see a change only from the perspective of the impact it has on them and their particular jobs. Not seeing the big picture, they may fail to recognize the positive impact of the change on the organization as a whole. Thus, they may find the change disruptive and totally unnecessary.
- Loss of control
Familiar routines help union members develop a sense of control over their work environment. Being asked to change the way they operate may make union members feel powerless and confused.
- Concern about support system
Union Members operating within predictable routines know their support system will back them up during challenging times. Changing the organizational structures may shake their confidence in their support system. They may worry about who will be the new leaders, or on unfamiliar ideas because they fear that if they try and fail, there will be no one there to support them.
- Closed minded
Some union members seem to have the attitude, “Please don’t confuse me with any facts or supporting documentation about this change– "I’ve already made up my mind!” Union Members with this attitude approach the change process with their minds firmly made up, muttering, “No way!” during discussions and explanations of the future.
- Unwillingness to learn
Some Union Members, hesitant to try new routines, express an unwillingness to learn anything new. They may say, “I already know all that I need to know.” Like resistant members who have already made up their minds that the change won’t be productive, employees reluctant to learn something new impede the organization’s growth and adaptation to change. They also hinder their own personal growth and development.
- Fear that the new way may not be better
If things have been going well, some members may resist change because they fear that the change will not result in improvement. Focusing only on their part of the profession, they fail to realize that change is needed in order for the profession to succed. They may resist forward movement because they are satisfied with the way things are going. Their current status is quite sufficient, and they wish to maintain business as usual.
- Fear of the unknown
Not knowing much about the specifics of the change, they may imagine a worst case scenario, which can be very scary. They let fear of the unknown become their rationale for not giving the change a chance. These members may acknowledge that a problem exists and agree that a change might improve it. However, they worry that the proposed change might actually make things worse! Their fear causes them to place roadblocks in the movement toward change.
FEAR IS NOT REAL
So tell us then, what is your answer when the line does not sign Teamsters cards,you fail to look at this from the lines perspective, we have been in locals where we are the minority and cannot get heard and have no desire to return to that reality,you seem to suffer from the idea that Tulsa is all that matters and the last 2 No Votes should tell you that is not the case.
If you want to have a vote you better sign both cards or you may find yourself with no choice at all.My advice is free so take it for what it's worth.
This my friends is the most glareing comfirmation as to the benefits the TWBoo has provided to some individuals for the "I Got Mine" mentality! My perception being outside of TUL, and I know I'm not alone, is that folks there that are financially challenged due to the raping by AMR and the problems brought about by the economy are of a minority. The battle to retain a fair standard of living for my family has motivated me to engage and invite AMFA to help us fight to repair the damage to our craft.
Here's my interpretation of his post. We've heard for many years how agressive the TWBoo has been in utilizing manpower and our re$ource$ to squash any attempts to oust this POS Union.Presently, the silence of any response by the TWBoo regarding the IBT drive is deafening! This means two things to me that I would ask you to think about:
1. The TWBoo is has recognized their days of representing Mechanics is OVER!
2. This silence that I allude to can be interpreted as an endorsement by the TWBoo for the IBT to take over the representation. I for one will never support any endorsement by the TWBoo!
The time for you folks to open your eyes and see 'what could be' is past due!
Sign an AMFA card.
Informer, I'm not an AMR exec or a TWU international appointee or a girl that is lucky or unlucky. I just get up and go to work, do my job, and mind my own business then go home and enjoy life. It's worked well for me for 20+ years. I've worked at TULE, and AFW and am now back at TULE. We've got a good crew and a good supervisor. I don't appear to be doing much different than anyone else I work with. Maybe I am lucky but I don't see it that way. I hope things turn out the way you want, who knows maybe we will run into each other someday!
Buck,my friend, I've always been in M&R 20+ years.
DonnaU, on 23 June 2012 - 09:15 AM, said:
I agree with how you see your time at AA/TWU. But my experience has been very, very good despite all the years and years of failed representation.
This my friends is the most glareing comfirmation as to the benefits the TWBoo has provided to some individuals for the "I Got Mine" mentality! My perception being outside of TUL, and I know I'm not alone, is that folks there that are financially challenged due to the raping by AMR and the problems brought about by the economy are of a minority. The battle to retain a fair standard of living for my family has motivated me to engage and invite AMFA to help us fight to repair the damage to our craft.
Hey hon, don't leave me out. You see, most of us here at ORD don't mind working hard and if we have a person of authority that earns our respect, we will go the extra mile also. The problem we have here is that 'full day worked,full day pay' now requires OT that if we fight to get a fair wage, can return OT as a choice rather than minimize our time with our kids to pay the bills.
Have some pride in this career you've chosen and help to bring back some respectability to our craft...Sign an AMFA card.
DonnaU, on 23 June 2012 - 09:15 AM, said:
I agree with how you see your time at AA/TWU. But my experience has been very, very good despite all the years and years of failed representation.
This my friends is the most glareing comfirmation as to the benefits the TWBoo has provided to some individuals for the "I Got Mine" mentality! My perception being outside of TUL, and I know I'm not alone, is that folks there that are financially challenged due to the raping by AMR and the problems brought about by the economy are of a minority. The battle to retain a fair standard of living for my family has motivated me to engage and invite AMFA to help us fight to repair the damage to our craft.
Hey hon, don't leave me out. You see, most of us here at ORD don't mind working hard and if we have a person of authority that earns our respect, we will go the extra mile also. The problem we have here is that 'full day worked,full day pay' now requires OT that if we fight to get a fair wage, can return OT as a choice rather than minimize our time with our kids to pay the bills.
Have some pride in this career you've chosen and help to bring back some respectability to our craft...Sign an AMFA card.
Jabord, you guys at ORD do have a tougher time on the wage issue. It's much more expensive to live there than TUL. It does take away from family life also. Other cities are also much more costly too. I see your between a rock and a hard place. I do have pride in my career, i take no shortcuts and do things by the book,as my co-workers do. Its easier with a good crew, chief and supervisor. Hopefully the out stations will get a pay increase to live in a higher cost area!
