A.M.F.A. support at the line stations?

[ThirdSeatHero]

I agree on the SFO BA. Some did have issues with him the moment he stepped in to office. I, on the other hand was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. I would be as defensive if an AMFA rep was recalled immediately after taking office. Other than gross dereliction, stealing from the members or other such crime, I would like us to at least give a guy a chance. Too much to ask?

As for your statement regarding the recall subject; I will copy my original post mentioning this.

"Elections? there were none. (disclaimer: my original entire post did mention that AMFA had their share of elections. My explanation of "there were none" is associated with the topic of the LOA only. For this topic, there was NO election) You cant recall a rep from another station and nobody wanted to recall their own. It was insane. Nothing was getting done and more of our work went out the door. To prove power, one group of "leaders" decided on their own to completely wipe out a contract LOA 74-1M which allowed furlough mechanics to bump to the same classification. There was no vote for that. The members were informed after the deed had been done. It was legal because the contract said that either party could terminate the agreement at any time by mutual agreement, but WTF? They did not even tell us? That was my last straw and the day I was convinced they would be the end of all of us. When the Teamsters finally showed, I was relieved to sign a card and join them."

At the time I was working in one of our larger line stations outside of SFO. We did not appreciate the one who was responsible for this LOA being removed from our contract (at least the guy who was blamed to be responsible was an officer of a different Local). As he was not part of the Local I belonged to at the time, there was no avenue for me to initiate recall.

Another FACT; LOA 74 was removed without a vote. This is an important issues with me because AMFA claims members have a right to vote in all decisions regarding the contract. That your Local later removed an officer, did not return this letter or repair the damage to AMFA's integrity.

Give a guy a chance? Are you serious? He'd been a BA for OVER THREE YEARS!

There was no election for the LOA? Since when do we have elections for LOAs? Funny thing, further down in your post you do say ... "without a vote" and NOT "without an election"

So now instead of owning up to your lie, you try and cover it with this BS? Okay suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure....you meant to say ....without a vote.

Again you wonder why your credibility is questioned.

Oh and by the way, LOA74-1 was pulled by vote of the Airline Reps, SFO recalled one of theres, you could've recalled yours.

Oh and you still haven't explained your glaring hypocrisy. If the removal of the LOA was the last straw because AMFA said its members have a right to vote on contract changes, then why aren't you campaigning for the removal of the teamsters? Clacy Griswold signed an LOA that gave seniority rights to SAMC controllers without a vote of the membership. During the ibt campaign on UAL they cited LOA74-1 just like you and they said they would never change the CBA without a membership vote. Well adding language or removing it is changing it.

 

[Birdman]

Anomaly, do you recommend the AA M&R remove the TWU as their representatives and choose IBT as their new. If so, what makes the IBT superior to the TWU?

 

[xUT]

Anomaly, do you recommend the AA M&R remove the TWU as their representatives and choose IBT as their new. If so, what makes the IBT superior to the TWU?

You haven't been paying attention to this thread.

B) xUT

 

[Anomaly]

What or who is a SCABster?

"The SCABsters crossed the Pickett line of fellow A&P's at NWA....."

Whoop, please tell me the names of all the UAL mechanics who crossed the picket line and worked on NWA aircraft during the strike. I know at my station there were NONE. You apparently might have different information.

If you do not have any names, or do not know of any such instance, how then can you refer to me, or any fellow Teamster as a TWA scab simply by association?

I looked up the most recent Teamster strikes I found on the web. Are you to tell me that every AMFA member refused to by a Coke, throw out their garbage, or refused to engage in business with any of these companies? How about last months strikes? Did all AMFA members swear off Twinkies?

I can not answer for all IBT members either, nor will I try. I will admit to probably at least once in my lifetime inadvertently doing business with a company whose Union members were on strike.

However, I have never walked across a picket line to purchase a product or service, nor to do struck work!! I have never crossed a picket line EVER !!

That you imply I am a scab simply because I support my Union is nothing more that hateful ignorance.

I feel nothing but sympathy towards you.

 

[Anomaly]

You haven't been paying attention to this thread.

B) xUT

Thanks xUT

 

[Anomaly]

Anomaly, do you recommend the AA M&R remove the TWU as their representatives and choose IBT as their new. If so, what makes the IBT superior to the TWU?

I am not saying that at all, nor am I offering an opinion to that question. I have NO working knowledge of the TWU and have never been a member.

 

[AA89]

Heck Birdman......we're still waiting to hear why IBT is superior to AMFA................but maybe we should have started with the IBT/TWU comparison.

 

[xUT]

Whoop, please tell me the names of all the UAL mechanics who crossed the picket line and worked on NWA aircraft during the strike. I know at my station there were NONE. You apparently might have different information.

If you do not have any names, or do not know of any such instance, how then can you refer to me, or any fellow Teamster as a TWA scab simply by association?

I looked up the most recent Teamster strikes I found on the web. Are you to tell me that every AMFA member refused to by a Coke, throw out their garbage, or refused to engage in business with any of these companies? How about last months strikes? Did all AMFA members swear off Twinkies?

I can not answer for all IBT members either, nor will I try. I will admit to probably at least once in my lifetime inadvertently doing business with a company whose Union members were on strike.

However, I have never walked across a picket line to purchase a product or service, nor to do struck work!! I have never crossed a picket line EVER !!

That you imply I am a scab simply because I support my Union is nothing more that hateful ignorance.

I feel nothing but sympathy towards you.

Good IBT boy.
Cut the parts you want and deflect the post and issue.
That's how you boys lied/deceived to get the UA vote and continue to do so.
Razzle-Dazzle That's your mantra.
Anyone that listens to your BS without researching the truth gets what they deserve.

B) xUT

 

[Anomaly]

Give a guy a chance? Are you serious? He'd been a BA for OVER THREE YEARS!

There was no election for the LOA? Since when do we have elections for LOAs? Funny thing, further down in your post you do say ... "without a vote" and NOT "without an election"

So now instead of owning up to your lie, you try and cover it with this BS? Okay suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure....you meant to say ....without a vote.

Again you wonder why your credibility is questioned.

Oh and by the way, LOA74-1 was pulled by vote of the Airline Reps, SFO recalled one of theres, you could've recalled yours.

Oh and you still haven't explained your glaring hypocrisy. If the removal of the LOA was the last straw because AMFA said its members have a right to vote on contract changes, then why aren't you campaigning for the removal of the teamsters? Clacy Griswold signed an LOA that gave seniority rights to SAMC controllers without a vote of the membership. During the ibt campaign on UAL they cited LOA74-1 just like you and they said they would never change the CBA without a membership vote. Well adding language or removing it is changing it.

Your knowledge of this and other parts of the internal workings of AMFA far exceeds mine. I am sharing my opinions as they were presented to me, but then again, I was not an elected member or part of the elite.

Third Seat Hero, I have answered your questions about my association with the IBT, will you answer mine? Did you serve an elected position with AMFA at UAL?

 

[Anomaly]

Good IBT boy.
Cut the parts you want and deflect the post and issue.
That's how you boys lied/deceived to get the UA vote and continue to do so.
Razzle-Dazzle That's your mantra.
Anyone that listens to your BS without researching the truth gets what they deserve.

B) xUT

Oh please cry me a river. You are doing the same effin thing! And then whining about it..... Pot/Kettle pal

 

[Anomaly]

Heck Birdman......we're still waiting to hear why IBT is superior to AMFA................but maybe we should have started with the IBT/TWU comparison.

Of the 250 posts on this thread, 74 of them are mine. I think I have explained my opinion to that and more. Twice over. If you keep asking the same question it does not change my answer. Start from page 1.

 

[swamt]

You are absolutely correct. AMFA does engage in open negotiations and allows anyone who wants to attend these meetings. The effect of this however is negative, and the company absolutely loves them for this. Through this irresponsible behavior, the company is able to negotiate directly with the membership and gain an advantage. This is possible because the observer is under no order or obligation to keep what he hears private. And they do not. As soon as possible results of the meetings are posted for all, including the company, to see.

Time and time again the company is able to intercept messages to the membership and gauge the Union members position and attitude. The company uses it against the membership knowing exactly what the bottom line is. It is like playing poker with all the cards exposed. When the house has all the money, and can see your cards, how can you win?

The company also monitors forums like this and expects news from the negotiations to be leaked by the observers. In these instances, sometimes too much information can be shared. Sorry to bring up unpopular history, but at NWA the company knew exactly what the Union was planning. Based on this knowledge they made their own preparations. I think the strike at NWA could have gone much differently had the company been caught off guard. As it was, the replacements were trained and ready when AMFA took its members out on strike.

Sometimes private unrestricted talks are beneficial.

LOL What are you smoking??? Nice try to twist the the fact that AMFA allows members to see the negos happen. Your idea is so far fetched, it's not believable. You have no clue how it works here at SWA. You will make crap up just to try and rebuttle someones post. You have most definately been planted here in forum land, good luck with your agenda, your going to need it...

 

[swamt]

If you guys have not figured it out yet, Anomaly is paid to be here. As I scrolled thru all the postings, he/she is on every single page and has numerous postings on each page. Check the time stamps, who the hell has this much time? This is a full time job for him/her. Scroll thru for yourselves, he was planted gentlemen...

 

[xUT]

Of the 250 posts on this thread, 74 of them are mine. I think I have explained my opinion to that and more. Twice over. If you keep asking the same question it does not change my answer. Start from page 1.

You haven't provided an answer yet!
Just more IBT hyperbole.
B) xUT

 

[Birdman]

I am not saying that at all, nor am I offering an opinion to that question. I have NO working knowledge of the TWU and have never been a member.

I'm well aware of the discussions on this thread and was simply asking your opinion. You've spent countless hours on these threads disparaging AMFA due to your bad experience and freely admit you have "NO working knowledge of the TWU". Did you ever consider that those of us that have a working knowledge of the TWU might have the same opinions towards them as you do towards AMFA? Many of us would like to hire another representative and we get it that you don't recommend AMFA. I've got to question your motives if you think the IBT is good enough for UA but not good enough for AA.