A.M.F.A. support at the line stations?

[Ken MacTiernan]

Let's not let this SCAB teamster lover hijack this and any other thread anymore. He is trying to turn people off to any useful conversations and it is working.

SEA and LAS have cards and getting signed. SAN is close to 100% signed. No sign of teamsters anywhere. Guess they know the line doesn't care for replacing the twu with another industrial undemocratic union.

Back to the subject of this thread, how are the line stations doing with the AMFA drive? I'm sure it should be easier this time around, I would hope.

 

[Anomaly]

LOL What are you smoking??? Nice try to twist the the fact that AMFA allows members to see the negos happen. Your idea is so far fetched, it's not believable. You have no clue how it works here at SWA. You will make crap up just to try and rebuttle someones post. You have most definately been planted here in forum land, good luck with your agenda, your going to need it...

You cry, but can not deny it. Open negotiations can be an advantage to the company.

 

[Anomaly]

I'm well aware of the discussions on this thread and was simply asking your opinion. You've spent countless hours on these threads disparaging AMFA due to your bad experience and freely admit you have "NO working knowledge of the TWU". Did you ever consider that those of us that have a working knowledge of the TWU might have the same opinions towards them as you do towards AMFA? Many of us would like to hire another representative and we get it that you don't recommend AMFA. I've got to question your motives if you think the IBT is good enough for UA but not good enough for AA.

I have never questioned your regard for TWU. I have simply stated my experience with AMFA has not been the end all be all many on this site pretend it to be. AMFA, in my opinion, is a poor implementation of a good idea.

 

[TWU informer]

You cry, but can not deny it. Open negotiations can be an advantage to the company.

Wow another we will save you from yourselves attitude.

Unreal

 

[TWU informer]

I have never questioned your regard for TWU. I have simply stated my experience with AMFA has not been the end all be all many on this site pretend it to be. AMFA, in my opinion, is a poor implementation of a good idea.

Really?

The AMFA idea of ALL Mechanics in one union has never been tried, but now the Teamsters after 50 years have the same idea.

Really?

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

Your knowledge of this and other parts of the internal workings of AMFA far exceeds mine. I am sharing my opinions as they were presented to me, but then again, I was not an elected member or part of the elite.

Third Seat Hero, I have answered your questions about my association with the IBT, will you answer mine? Did you serve an elected position with AMFA at UAL?

After the Airline Reps pulled LOA74-1 without a vote, everyone who bothered to attend a meeting or read a local website knew about this. You didn't have to be an elected Shop Rep or one of the "elite" whatever the hell that's supposed to imply, to know what happened. That said it is nice to know you admit now you've based your opinion on something you failed to get the whole story on.

Yes Anomaly, you did answer my question about your association with the ibt, and in turn I answered your questions on whether or not I was ever in management.

I have no problem engaging in an another line of questioning concerning each of our backgrounds as it relates to unions but first I'd like you to address the question you have failed to speak to now for a second time.

You stated the LOA74-1 issue was the last straw for you under AMFA. Why are you now willing to not only accept but defend a union that has done the same thing?

The ibt cited the pulling of LOA74-1 in their campaign on UAL and they claimed that they would never do this, and that ALL changes to the CBA would be voted on. Again Clacy Griswold signed a LOA to give mechanic seniority to SAMC controllers without the knowledge or a vote of the membership.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

You cry, but can not deny it. Open negotiations can be an advantage to the company.

Are you truly that ignorant?

You're responding to a Southwest Airlines Mechanic!

They know all to well how CLOSED negotiations WERE an advantage to the company..... with the ibt in the room.

HOTEL ROOM that is! Clacy Griswold met with Parker and gave back retro pay on a newly negotiated paid lunch....this of course led to the teamsters ousting at SWA.

 

[Anomaly]

Really?

The AMFA idea of ALL Mechanics in one union has never been tried, but now the Teamsters after 50 years have the same idea.

Really?

AMFA started in the 60's. How can you say it has never been tried?

I think you mean AMFA has NEVER been successful. I agree with that.

 

[Anomaly]

After the Airline Reps pulled LOA74-1 without a vote, everyone who bothered to attend a meeting or read a local website knew about this. You didn't have to be an elected Shop Rep or one of the "elite" whatever the hell that's supposed to imply, to know what happened. That said it is nice to know you admit now you've based your opinion on something you failed to get the whole story on.

Yes Anomaly, you did answer my question about your association with the ibt, and in turn I answered your questions on whether or not I was ever in management.

I have no problem engaging in an another line of questioning concerning each of our backgrounds as it relates to unions but first I'd like you to address the question you have failed to speak to now for a second time.

You stated the LOA74-1 issue was the last straw for you under AMFA. Why are you now willing to not only accept but defend a union that has done the same thing?

The ibt cited the pulling of LOA74-1 in their campaign on UAL and they claimed that they would never do this, and that ALL changes to the CBA would be voted on. Again Clacy Griswold signed a LOA to give mechanic seniority to SAMC controllers without the knowledge or a vote of the membership.

For purely selfish reasons. 74-1M affected me during the next lay off. Rather than go back east where my family was, and i could have gone if the LOA was still enforceable, I was forced to the base. I was hired on the line, and always thought I would be able to work the line with my seniority. AMFA change that. A Union should never have a negative impact on it's members. AMFA did. We get enough of that from the company.

I am not aware of the SAMC controller seniority or how it could affect me.

Over all, through this entire thread, one thing has become perfectly clear to me. I hope it is becoming clear to the others who read this but do not engage.

 

[Anomaly]

Are you truly that ignorant?

You're responding to a Southwest Airlines Mechanic!

They know all to well how CLOSED negotiations WERE an advantage to the company..... with the ibt in the room.

HOTEL ROOM that is! Clacy Griswold met with Parker and gave back retro pay on a newly negotiated paid lunch....this of course led to the teamsters ousting at SWA.

And still you dodge the fact that the company knows the Unions plans with open negotiations. Look at this board, and the many others like it. I see you, SWAMT, and xUT on many other forums all selling the same snake oil. You all pretend AMFA will be the savior of our craft. I am not buying it, and calling you on it. That is the reason we are still engaging.

I am selling nothing. I am simply sticking up for my Union because they have done better than the other two so far. This is my opinion.

Why do you care that I think that? Wht does it bother you that I do not feel hatred towards the IBT or any of it's leadership?

They have not given me everything I hoped for and expected, but they certainly have not taken away either. LOA 74 was just one thing about AMFA that impacted me. I tried them, but in the end, AMFA FAILED ME. Why does this bother you so much?

I'll ask again, which has become routine, do you deny being an elected AMFA rep???

 

[Anomaly]

After the Airline Reps pulled LOA74-1 without a vote, everyone who bothered to attend a meeting or read a local website knew about this. You didn't have to be an elected Shop Rep or one of the "elite" whatever the hell that's supposed to imply, to know what happened. That said it is nice to know you admit now you've based your opinion on something you failed to get the whole story on.

Finally, you admit that AMFA is NOT always the purely democratic Union. They too are subject to mistakes and bad decisions.

Making progress.

 

[Anomaly]

If you guys have not figured it out yet, Anomaly is paid to be here. As I scrolled thru all the postings, he/she is on every single page and has numerous postings on each page. Check the time stamps, who the hell has this much time? This is a full time job for him/her. Scroll thru for yourselves, he was planted gentlemen...

Either that or I work mids. Did you know lap tops are portable? Whatever....

This is the million dollar post I have been waiting for.

SWAMT, you are all over the internet and have 854 posts just on this forum.

Whoop Whoop, is in for 124, but I swear I have read his same dialog on other sites,

Third Seat Hero spews propaganda from UAL at 815,

xUT pushes the BS broom with 1,876 posts

Ken Mac Tiernan proudly speaks his mind with 2,137 posts

Although I do not understand or read half of his babel, Buck makes the list at 4,411 posts.

And topping the list is TWA Informer who has enough time to post 5,294 unintelligible ANGRY posts,

And you think I am the one being paid???

All of you have something to gain from this!! If you did not, what the hell would you care about the opinion of ONE MECHANIC?

Do you see anyone rushing in to help me? AMFA has what 2400 mechanics compared to the IBT's constantly advertised 1.4 million, and TWU has somewhere over 117,000 according to the web. If I am paid, where are the others???

The enlightening revelation, is that the only ones desperately trying to save their jobs, or their hopes of a future return to a Union job, are those people I listed above.

This is the revalation that has become perfectly obvious to me. You are all incredibly afraid that one single mechanic, like me, can shatter the illusions of fear you have created for the "big bad industrial Unions".

You hate my opinions because you fear they could catch on and destroy your hopes for ANOTHER campaign, or overtake your delusions of grandeur.

The IBT did not come in and save us at UAL. They did not live up to all my expectations. They did not get me everything I had expected. BUT STILL, they have not taken anything away from me, and they have actually helped me to see some improvements in my life, and work area. I finally feel comfortable again after so many years worrying from day to day. Of course they make decisions that I do not agree with, but trust and faith starts somewhere. So far, they have earned my trust.

Bouncing back and fourth between Unions does me no good. Although I disagree with them at times, I am very satisfied with the IBT. I have no problem proclaiming that. It is you all who have a problem hearing it.

Why does my support for the IBT bother you ???

 

[Bob Owens]

However, I have never walked across a picket line to purchase a product or service, nor to do struck work!! I have never crossed a picket line EVER !!

IIRC Teamster drivers up here in NY refused to cross the AMFA picket lines.

 

[TWU informer]

AMFA started in the 60's. How can you say it has never been tried?

I think you mean AMFA has NEVER been successful. I agree with that.

Because people like you that use lies and fear to stop or at least try to prevent the idea, ALL MECHANICS have never been in one union, therefore the idea has never been tried.

Are you really that ignorant?

 

[TWU informer]

Over all, through this entire thread, one thing has become perfectly clear to me. I hope it is becoming clear to the others who read this but do not engage.

The only thing that is becoming clear is that you continue to refuse to answer any questions after you make some out of this world statement.

What we still have yet to receive from you that has been asked.....

What is your solution to the demise of the AMT?

Show us the return on investment that you claimed we received from Campaign Finance Contributions.

Show us where you can recall a rep from another station under the ibt constitution.

Show us where your airline rep is elected under the ibt constitution.

Show us where there is a recall procedure for any rep of the ibt.

Show us where the annual pay of the national/general president is directly tied to the pay of the mechanic.

And one more, why does there have to be a internal organization, or a watchdog that's only purpose is to seek democracy in the ibt? i.e. Teamsters for a Democratic Union. Just its required existance tells me alot more than any zealot will.