7 day coverage nonsense

[Duke787]

Interesting...Another example of how things differ station to station....We are not allowed to work a CS on a holiday! Let alone to get another holiday off with no reference to seniority.

I work days, my cs partner works afternoons, he works for me on thanksgiving, I work for him on Christmas. No seniority violation just a CS double shift going on. The CS policy for ORD is on the ORD M&E web page.

If you don't have a cs policy, your local and your management are doing you a disservice.

 

[tech2101]

This is the most ridiculous thread I have seen in a long time. Airline mechanics (AMT's) complaining that they may have to work 24/7 shifts?

I think you all need to think back to that interview question "Are you wiling to work odd hours and or shifts?"

And yes, you all answered yes, I am willing to do what ever you want...just hire me (or something to that effect).

You asked her to the dance, now you are stuck with her.

 

[Duke787]

This is the most ridiculous thread I have seen in a long time. Airline mechanics (AMT's) complaining that they may have to work 24/7 shifts?

I think you all need to think back to that interview question "Are you wiling to work odd hours and or shifts?"

And yes, you all answered yes, I am willing to do what ever you want...just hire me (or something to that effect).

You asked her to the dance, now you are stuck with her.

well said !!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Hopeful]

<_< ------ One man's opinion, O.K.!----- I know it would be nice to have week-ends off, and only work days, with holidays with your families, but, sometimes life's not like that! You hired in as an AMT at a major Airline. Working odd hours, and having days off in the middle of the week are a part of your job! You know that going into it! Besides, a 24/7 operation needs more heads! And God knows, what this Country needs right now are more jobs!-------If you don't like those hours of work, or days off, that's what Seniority is all about, bid the ones you do!

MCI....I hope you're not responding to me thinking I'm complaining about working weekends and some of the odd shifts I've done over the years.
The quote you used from me was a response to EOLESEN defending GMs and MDs who have to man their blackberries 24/7 and when things go wrong on a weekend, holiday or after 3pm weekdays, all they have to do is pick up that blackberry and start yelling and demanding action from their subordinates. ALL WITHOUT HAVING TO LEAVE WHEREVER THEY ARE.

I have never complained about having to work the hours and days I have had to. I've accepted it a long long time ago. Now I have the seniority to go and bid whatever I wish. It's called putting your time in.
The argument is that since airlines are a 24/7,,,,,,,THEN SHOULD THERE BE ANYONE OFF ON WEEKENDS?

 

[eolesen]

The quote you used from me was a response to EOLESEN defending GMs and MDs who have to man their blackberries 24/7 and when things go wrong on a weekend, holiday or after 3pm weekdays, all they have to do is pick up that blackberry and start yelling and demanding action from their subordinates. ALL WITHOUT HAVING TO LEAVE WHEREVER THEY ARE.

And I'm sure it's the same for your union leaders -- when something goes wrong, they can "offer advice" from the golf course or strip bar.

The subordinates are paid to be onsite. Why shouldn't a manager be able to expect that the people on duty are capable of dealing with the problem at hand? Years ago, they'd have dealt with it.

And years ago, GM's and MD's had the same schedule they do today. The only thing that has changed is advances in phone and email technology made them available 24/7, and believe me, the company has exploited that quite well. And it's one way that management has managed to shrink during budget cuts. Likewise in the res offices.

The day you can fix an aircraft remotely from an iPhone or Blackberry, you can bet that the opportunity to work from home will be there for you, too.

 

[Hopeful]

And I'm sure it's the same for your union leaders -- when something goes wrong, they can "offer advice" from the golf course or strip bar.

The subordinates are paid to be onsite. Why shouldn't a manager be able to expect that the people on duty are capable of dealing with the problem at hand? Years ago, they'd have dealt with it.

And years ago, GM's and MD's had the same schedule they do today. The only thing that has changed is advances in phone and email technology made them available 24/7, and believe me, the company has exploited that quite well. And it's one way that management has managed to shrink during budget cuts. Likewise in the res offices.

The day you can fix an aircraft remotely from an iPhone or Blackberry, you can bet that the opportunity to work from home will be there for you, too.

First of all, you're barking up the wrong tree if you think I'm going to defend union leaders. they are no different than greedy selfy serving executives.
Secondly, you can defend the "do-no-wrong" management all you want, but unless you are working ON THE HOLIDAY, OR ON THE SATURDAY AND SUNDAY, IT IS NOT THE SAME THING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And of course there is nothing wrong with expecting those on duty to handle the problem, but please spare me that a phone call here and there is an ample substitute for actually working on a weekend or holiday.
Oh those poor GMs and MDs,,,,,having to excuse themselves from the Thanksgiving dinner table to go into the study to make a phone call,,,,,,,,boooooooohooooohoooooooooo

 

[eolesen]

You're correct. Being available by phone isn't the same. Maybe you should shadow a GM during budget season. During late October and November, they're working pretty much six and seven day workweeks (not including time to/from DFW) to work out next year's budget. The same holds true for the guys working in the budget/controller shop at HDQ. The average lifespan of a budget analyst at HDQ was 18 months, mainly due to that. As soon as they could find another job (inside or outside AMR), they were gone.

Each job has its own ups and downs, Hopeful. And just like the comments above, those who go into the job usually do so with eyes wide open as to the demands it has. Those who get surprised (like the budget analysts) usually bail.

 

[chris perry]

You're correct. Being available by phone isn't the same. Maybe you should shadow a GM during budget season. During late October and November, they're working pretty much six and seven day workweeks (not including time to/from DFW) to work out next year's budget. The same holds true for the guys working in the budget/controller shop at HDQ. The average lifespan of a budget analyst at HDQ was 18 months, mainly due to that. As soon as they could find another job (inside or outside AMR), they were gone.

Each job has its own ups and downs, Hopeful. And just like the comments above, those who go into the job usually do so with eyes wide open as to the demands it has. Those who get surprised (like the budget analysts) usually bail.
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7 DAY COVERAGE WE AGREED TO AT HIRING,INCLUDED PREMIUM PAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHAT THEY WANT NOW DOES NOT= CONCESSION

 

[Hopeful]

You're correct. Being available by phone isn't the same. Maybe you should shadow a GM during budget season. During late October and November, they're working pretty much six and seven day workweeks (not including time to/from DFW) to work out next year's budget. The same holds true for the guys working in the budget/controller shop at HDQ. The average lifespan of a budget analyst at HDQ was 18 months, mainly due to that. As soon as they could find another job (inside or outside AMR), they were gone.

Each job has its own ups and downs, Hopeful. And just like the comments above, those who go into the job usually do so with eyes wide open as to the demands it has. Those who get surprised (like the budget analysts) usually bail.
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The folks on the OH base are being blindly accused of voting the TA down MAINLY because of the 24/7 issue, in their defense, did the company NOT some time ago convert from a 24/7 to a 5 day operation? Just about every mechanic hired started on nightshift, never seeing weekends or holidays off for years on end. So many a mechanic transferred there to get somewhat of a normal life to spend with family and friends. But later on the company makes it a 5 day operation and no wants to revert back and the company is expecting it to be welcomed with open arms?
It's human nature for any person to want to maintain what he/she has become accustomed to.
The 24/7 issue with a slew of other maintenance topics added to even pilot SCOPE and flight crews hours worked could be accepted more easily by making it worth people's willingness to change. Instead, the company wants more concessions in exchange for a couple of dollars.

 

[Bob Owens]

I beleieve you are correct. They went to 4/10s as well but stopped that. I think they had trouble getting enough parts. So they would get to a point where they couldnt do any more but admittedly I'm not familiar with the base operation.

Another point is AA located their OH base in Tulsa for a reason many years ago(it was cheap and so was fuel), Pan Am had major operations in JFK and Mia, UAL in SFO. While Pan Am and UAL had large urban populations from which they could get their labor AA had to lure people to Tulsa, having off the weekends was a factor that motivated many to relocate, it would be a huge change for them.

 

[eolesen]

So, it used to be a 24/7 operation, but because the company pulled back on it, it's now considered a concession to go back to a 24/7 schedule?...

 

[Hopeful]

So, it used to be a 24/7 operation, but because the company pulled back on it, it's now considered a concession to go back to a 24/7 schedule?...

So, it used to be we had higher pay rates, one more week vacation, 10 sick days a year accrued, 80 IOD days,
10 holidays at double time and a half, but because the company pulled back on that contract, is it not considered a concession?

 

[Bob Owens]

So, it used to be a 24/7 operation, but because the company pulled back on it, it's now considered a concession to go back to a 24/7 schedule?...

Yes because they used to get the line premium for the week if they worked weekends but the company doesn't want to pay that now, they only want to pay .50c/hr and only for certain hours worked on the weekend.The company chose to eliminate the shift premiums as well. Do you think its right to expect people to work oddball shifts without any sort of compensation for that? Right now they either work with SS, FS or SM off, everyone has a part of the weekend off.

 

[Hopeful]

Yes because they used to get the line premium for the week if they worked weekends but the company doesn't want to pay that now, they only want to pay .50c/hr and only for certain hours worked on the weekend.The company chose to eliminate the shift premiums as well. Do you think its right to expect people to work oddball shifts without any sort of compensation for that? Right now they either work with SS, FS or SM off, everyone has a part of the weekend off.

Easy there, Bob......GMs and MDs have to carry their Blackberry around at all times when they're enjoyng normal hours, weekends and holidays off...

 

[MikeCobbAFW]

What's everyone talking about? We DO get compensated. 1 cent extra an hr for afternoons and 2 cents for midnights...