Right Blue. As far as I know IAM @ US is the only group doing it, but not positive. Take 2 mechs bidding for lead position, one is 30 year mechanic, and one is a 2 year mechanic that won the bid prior to this bid for a lead position, the award would be givin to the 2 year mechanic over the 30 year mech due to this classification seniority crap!!! You are in fact removing ALL of the 30 year mechanics seniority and putting him as a day one employee when and if he is awarded a lead position--now that is just pathetic. Yea it sucks when high seniority out bids lower seniority when they move into the leads positions as well as the inspector positions, but you never take seniority from anybody. How something like this ever got into a contract is baffling as these are usually small groups and no mechanic would vote to lose seniority unless it was slid into the contract during some kind of increases in pay or something. This will implode when it comes to head, will be interesting to see how the 2 diff unions deal will it internally...blue collar said:
3 TWU Groups Had Enough
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Just to play devil's advocate here, the counter to your example is that the 30 yr. guy had ~28 years to bid a lead spot, and for whatever reason chose not to.
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It has been that way since 1949 in the IAM/US CBA. It was also the same way at PI with the IAM, and I believe the same at HP with the IBT.
So how does PMCO and PMUA do it?
And at NW does anyone know how it was done, as it was the IAM CBA for years before AMFA.
So how does PMCO and PMUA do it?
And at NW does anyone know how it was done, as it was the IAM CBA for years before AMFA.
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PMCO used occ seniority, as did HP. PMUA had premium seniority, as did PMNW, both previous IAM carriers. At UA, if you bid out of lead or insp, your premium time gets frozen, whereas at US, it keeps rolling.700UW said:
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I've heard that argument many times, and it still doesn't hold any water, for me. There's plenty of people who might not have had the chance to bid that spot in their previous 28 years, and then due to a station closing may move to a hub and then have the ability to (since they're displaced anyways). They are then losing out on using their seniority to get good shifts/days off. IMHO, it can keep good guys (who may happen to have a lot of seniority - and experience) from bidding it due to their 'loss' of seniority.Kev3188 said:
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Sorry for the thread drift bogey, I'll take it elsewhere.Bogey said:
700- I believe they were given their DOC as their lead time. Only happened to a handful of guys
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1AA, again, thanks for the support. The International will paint an ugly picture for sure, but the true story will come out. I spoke to some of the board and I trust them. Worked with many for 20 years. They truly look after the membership and they are doing the right thing by us. We support them 100 percent.
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GOLDEN HANDCUFFSblue collar said:
Bogey said:
Give me a break about your hope for a peaceful integration. Whatever chance there was for that was eliminated when this application was filed. The elected leaders of each USAirways work group impacted by the filing have come out publicly against this new union. You will gain nothing but a permanently divided work group.
Throughout the 1970’s and 1980’s the licensing requirements for dispatchers were under constant attack. The TWU was and is the primary defender of the professional status of dispatchers and was a major reason for the affiliation of the ALDA represented groups with the TWU.
As for the instructors, when their first TWU contract negotiations was approaching a midnight deadline American refused to budge because they claimed that the small group of instructors would get little support from other lower paid TWU groups. When the TWU started to set up a picket line at midnight (11pm Dallas Time) in New York, the Instructor agreement was concluded in less than 2 hours.
The USAirways employees have had occasion to witness what happens when a group disaffiliates to gain advantage in a merger situation. The USAPA fiasco probably cost USAirways pilots closer to half a million dollars apiece and those who have retired will never recoup the losses. The same logic and even some of the same advisors who created this disaster are now supporting this new association.
