2015 Fleet Service thread

[Tim Nelson]

You need local endorsement to be nominated at 142.

well, yeah, but only one unless there are 3 people running for the same office. If brother x wanted to run against brother y for president, and they were the only two receiving nomination endorsements, then brother x can run for office with only one Local endorsement. There is no initial bar of 10 to have an election. I mean you do have to be nominated, but only one Local nomination is sufficient.

regards,

 

[Tim Nelson]

Workbrain can now be accessed from home on December 2.
Finally!

regards,

 

[Kev3188]

Hoping we (DL) get the same level of access to our system soon. In this day & age, it seems odd not to...

 

[totobird]

Can someone please explain the Seniority Integration Procedure to me.
 
I read the agreement from 2 years ago that was agreed to by the TWU and IAM stating that "Date Of Entry into the basic Classification would determine how the list would be prepared for Fleet Service.
 
Here is my question.
 
Back in 1983 I was hired part time and offered full time in 1985. Under the old Teamster agreement Fleet Service was given half their seniority time when upgraded to full time. My hire date is still 1983 but my Classification became 1984. I lost 1 year.
 
American Fleet Clerks have always been given full seniority whether full time or part time.
 
Which date will they give me 1983 or 1984 on the integrated list ?
 
Thanks

 

[Tim Nelson]

Can someone please explain the Seniority Integration Procedure to me.
 
I read the agreement from 2 years ago that was agreed to by the TWU and IAM stating that "Date Of Entry into the basic Classification would determine how the list would be prepared for Fleet Service.
 
Here is my question.
 
Back in 1983 I was hired part time and offered full time in 1985. Under the old Teamster agreement Fleet Service was given half their seniority time when upgraded to full time. My hire date is still 1983 but my Classification became 1984. I lost 1 year.
 
American Fleet Clerks have always been given full seniority whether full time or part time.
 
Which date will they give me 1983 or 1984 on the integrated list ?
 
Thanks

Unfortunately, our AGC's chose not to go by DOH, so your part time and my part time simply will not be fully recognized. It isn't a perfect world and that's just the way it will be. I get it! The thing that I don't get is how our AGC's agreed with management to graft in all the non union tower and non union CLP folks who brought in 10+ years from American Eagle while at the same time disenfranchising dues paying IAM members like all of us. Recognizing DOH to include all previous time at American Eagle is total B** S*** but our AGC's don't care about seniority anymore since they don't think they can be voted out.

regards,

 

[JFK Fleet Service]

This Eagle thing you keep  bringing up is a strawman.The AMR date of hire concept has been explained to you ad infinitum yet you continue to harp on it.Your LUS planner friends got the job represented,as well as the tower jobs. Did they expect super seniority over the numerically larger group from LAA?
 
Lot of former TWA types in the towers around the system,beaucoup company seniority with those folks.Your side wanted them in the fleet service classification and got it, don't cry because the LUS types may not be the biggest dogs in the kennel anymore.

 

[ograc]

Many issues need to be carefully considered and eventually addressed in the upcoming JCBA negotiations. We're going to have to live under this agreement for quite some time. IMO... we need to get this right. Regardless of how long it takes. We, as a collective group, owe it ourselves' to remain educated and vigilant, on matters that will affect the future working conditions of our Collective Bargaining Group.The membership needs to be patient and carefully pay attention to the cards being played by the company and the Association. Every member has a stake in the game.  2016 should be a very interesting year. Engaged members must inform the disengaged.

 

[Tim Nelson]

This Eagle thing you keep  bringing up is a strawman.The AMR date of hire concept has been explained to you ad infinitum yet you continue to harp on it.Your LUS planner friends got the job represented,as well as the tower jobs. Did they expect super seniority over the numerically larger group from LAA?
 
Lot of former TWA types in the towers around the system,beaucoup company seniority with those folks.Your side wanted them in the fleet service classification and got it, don't cry because the LUS types may not be the biggest dogs in the kennel anymore.

I don't agree with it, although I realize our union bosses agreed to it. But are you saying that eagle employees have always carried with them their DOH from eagle to American and use that for bidding as well?

regards,

 

[AANOTOK]

I don't agree with it, although I realize our union bosses agreed to it. But are you saying that eagle employees have always carried with them their DOH from eagle to American and use that for bidding as well?

regards,

NO

 

[JFK Fleet Service]

Anyone coming from an AMR subsidiary bids vacation alone with DOH.Occupational (Classification) date is the date they physically began working at AA.

 

[WeAAsles]

I don't agree with it, although I realize our union bosses agreed to it. But are you saying that eagle employees have always carried with them their DOH from eagle to American and use that for bidding as well?regards,

An AE employee who is hired at the mainline only keeps his company seniority, not any occupational. He starts on the ramp with first day.

The reality that I've seen in my career though is that the company won't hire anyone for mainline who has over 5 years at AE. They keep them languishing over there unless they quit and start all over again.

We have no transfer agreements in either one of our contracts to help these people move over against people from the street. That's a sorry state of affairs IMO.

 

[AANOTOK]

And they are both TWU represented!

 

[WeAAsles]

And they are both TWU represented!

That's what makes it so weird?

 

[cltrat]

That's what makes it so weird?

lets them poorly represent both groups while collecting dues from each.
 
that's not a TWU cheapshot exclusive the IAM has no issues playing that game as well

 

[WeAAsles]

lets them poorly represent both groups while collecting dues from each.
 
that's not a TWU cheapshot exclusive the IAM has no issues playing that game as well

It's probably more like neither side pressed the issue with the company in past negotiations? That would be my guess? Both sides working together on that might have made it happen.