2015 Fleet Service Discussion

[Kev3188]

For me, it depended on a lot of factors. First time "offense?" Attitude of employee? Just to name a couple... In my experience, in an "air tight" case, we would often ask for -and get- a deal where it was expunged after, say, 6 mos. (as opposed to a full year) if there were no further issues.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

You always defend the issue, not the person. That's representation 101. It also happens to be the law.

Funny how the same people find themselves in "situations" over and over and over again.

 

[Kev3188]

Funny how mgmt. never catches on that maybe a little due diligence would go a long way...

 

[robbedagain]

agree kev 

 

[T5towbar]

You always defend the issue, not the person. That's representation 101. It also happens to be the law.

 
I agree.
I hate it when I hear people decrying Unions because of the myth that they defend the slugs and the slackers all the time.
It is their job to defend EVERYONE if there is just cause or reason to do so.
 
The lazy people will eventually get weeded out and will fail on their own. (It may take a while sometimes, but it will eventually catch up to them) People will skate so much and will put themselves into their own demise or an indefensible position. I've seen it many times. The main one is not following SOP during a mishap, then lying about it when the cameras prove otherwise. There are some things that the Union can't defend. Only YOU can get yourself fired on this job. Karma is a ***** and it all works out in the end.
 
Bottom line is the 

 

[WeAAsles]

Q: Does American Airlines want to merge the AA frozen pension plan into the IAM National Pension Fund (IAMNPF)?
 
A: Discussions about merging AA’s frozen pension plan into the IAMNPF have not occurred.

 
The IAM has never merged an airline industry pension plan into the IAMNPF.
In fact, when Northwest Airlines, United Airlines and US Airways either froze or terminated their employer-sponsored, defined-benefit pension plans, the IAM did not merge these frozen and terminated plans into the IAMNPF. They remained administered by either the company or the PBGC, resulting in IAM members receiving two pension checks in retirement – one from the IAMNPF and one from their previous employer-sponsored plan.

http://www.usaamerger.com/

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

 
I agree.
I hate it when I hear people decrying Unions because of the myth that they defend the slugs and the slackers all the time.
It is their job to defend EVERYONE if there is just cause or reason to do so.
 
The lazy people will eventually get weeded out and will fail on their own. (It may take a while sometimes, but it will eventually catch up to them) People will skate so much and will put themselves into their own demise or an indefensible position. I've seen it many times. The main one is not following SOP during a mishap, then lying about it when the cameras prove otherwise. There are some things that the Union can't defend. Only YOU can get yourself fired on this job. Karma is a #### and it all works out in the end.
 
Bottom line is the 

12 years on the job has proven otherwise to me.

 
Bottom line is the WHAT? 

 

Funny how mgmt. never catches on that maybe a little due diligence would go a long way...

You are the one that is not catching  on.
 
Management WANTS it that way. They want people to be resentful when they see some freeloader in the office for the 10th time that year and walk out unscathed yet again. Why fight the UNION and look like the bad guy when you can turn the public against them by letting the incompetent and lazy parasites benefit from others labor with no consequences due to "UNION" representation.
 
The whole thing is a mind job and you fell for it hook, line and sinker.  
 
Slow acting poison my friend and very effective poison at that.

 

[MetalMover]

Q: Does American Airlines want to merge the AA frozen pension plan into the IAM National Pension Fund (IAMNPF)?
 
A: Discussions about merging AA’s frozen pension plan into the IAMNPF have not occurred.

 
The IAM has never merged an airline industry pension plan into the IAMNPF.
In fact, when Northwest Airlines, United Airlines and US Airways either froze or terminated their employer-sponsored, defined-benefit pension plans, the IAM did not merge these frozen and terminated plans into the IAMNPF. They remained administered by either the company or the PBGC, resulting in IAM members receiving two pension checks in retirement – one from the IAMNPF and one from their previous employer-sponsored plan.

http://www.usaamerger.com/

The patron saint of the TWU has spoken.

 

[700UW]

Food For Thought
The following figures are from a report released by the Center For Popular Democracy.
 
Direct employment for ground service airline workers fell by 160,000 from 2002 to 2012.
 
From 2002 to 2012 outsourcing of ramp workers increased from 25% to 84%.
 
Average wages declined by 45% during the same period, from over $19.00/hr. to $10.60/hr.
 
Aircraft cleaning jobs outsourcing increased from 40% to 84% from 2002 to 2012. Wages declined from an average of $15.00/hr. to $9.40.
 
Kip Hedges
What conclusions do you draw from these figures?

 
 

 

[psa8979]

TGIF. The NMB typically make rulings/decisions before 1200 EST , go have lunch , and start their wk. end by 1500 hrs. The ASSOCIATION should be in DFW at the table with DP/AAL on 5/18/15 for JCBA's ? Let the speculation begin NOW ! Good Luck to ALL because their will be Winners and Losers in the next 2 + yrs . Fish On !

 

[WeAAsles]

TGIF. The NMB typically make rulings/decisions before 1200 EST , go have lunch , and start their wk. end by 1500 hrs. The ASSOCIATION should be in DFW at the table with DP/AAL on 5/18/15 for JCBA's ? Let the speculation begin NOW ! Good Luck to ALL because their will be Winners and Losers in the next 2 + yrs . Fish On !

It would be nice to hear something today? No vote, certification approved? Let's get this show on the road. :mellow:

 

[MetalMover]

TGIF. The NMB typically make rulings/decisions before 1200 EST , go have lunch , and start their wk. end by 1500 hrs. The ASSOCIATION should be in DFW at the table with DP/AAL on 5/18/15 for JCBA's ? Let the speculation begin NOW ! Good Luck to ALL because their will be Winners and Losers in the next 2 + yrs . Fish On !

Winners and Losers? What is your prediction?

 

[MetalMover]

It would be nice to hear something today? No vote, certification approved? Let's get this show on the road. :mellow:

Are you ok with NO vote WeAAsles? 
Did not the associations say in the beginning there will be a vote? So you want this association so badly, but would you be ok without a vote and to hell with those who DON"T want the association?
Not very democratic. And I'm not speaking from an anti-twu mechanic's position as I am sure there are many fleet service who don't want this association either.

 

[WeAAsles]

Are you ok with NO vote WeAAsles? 
Did not the associations say in the beginning there will be a vote? So you want this association so badly, but would you be ok without a vote and to hell with those who DON"T want the association?
Not very democratic. And I'm not speaking from an anti-twu mechanic's position as I am sure there are many fleet service who don't want this association either.

IF the only option I had was Association or No Union I absolutely don't need or want that POS to come across my desk. If a write in option was there I have to guess there would be people out there pleased with that?

When I was accepted to work for AA I didn't have a choice about being in a Union or not or if I wanted that Union to be the TWU. The TWU was here a year before my Mother was born. So eventually I made friends with it and tried to understand it's way of thinking and why it's made the decisions it has (They have)? I have not always agreed with those decisions but I look at it this way. We have no to very little control over what happens in life and many times in our own lives. The things we have no control over all I can do is ride that wave. The things with little control all I can do is try to steer them maybe just a little? Maybe? 

The company also isn't stupid. To assume they are is stupid of us. So let's say we have a write in option? For you guys in maintenance I think you'll see all sorts of things written in that line? AMFA, TWU, IAM, IBT, whoever? And there would be check marks in both Association and the No Vote option. The company will have a field day knowing the numbers behind that vote.

For Fleet, no there are people who don't like the idea that the Association was thrust on us without a choice or vote. Why deny that. But they also know that the fastest way to get to the JCBA is to go with the flow. I really believe the vote tally would be very different in Fleet? (Call it whatever you want) but I think our group is a little more go with the flow than yours?

So if and or when the Association is certified the emphasis will be on them to prove to all of us that it was the right move for it to be done. I'm honestly looking forward to reading our JCBA when it hits my desk and seeing if it passes my personal muster?  

 

[AANOTOK]

It should say:
 
A.TWU
B. IAM
C. Association
D. Write in
 
In my opinion that would be the fair and right way.
 
In no way, shape, or form should it be:
 
A. Association
B. No Representation
 
Nor should it default to No representation if you don't choose Association.