2015 Fleet Service Discussion

[WeAAsles]

We used to have that. It was called the "Market Rate Adjustment". The higher cost of living had a base of 1.00 more per hour. It was "red circled" out in the negotiations.

Many people in leadership positions are conflicted with the ideology behind a "Market Rate" or "Geographic Payscale". They think it dilutes the job and would rather have quality over quantity. I completely disagree with that sentiment. 

There are far too many people I know working in hubs right now who would have gladly taken a cut in pay to have remained in the home or town they grew up in if that had been offered as an option to them.

I love to post this calculator as an example. If I lived in Brooklyn NY making $50,000 per year and wanted to move to DFW, my $50,000 is equal to a guy making $28,204. To go the opposite way and move from Dallas to Brooklyn to make the same in equal earnings I would need to make $88,638.

NYC of course being one of the more extreme examples.

http://money.cnn.com/calculator/pf/cost-of-living/

 

[Rogallo]

They ultimately don't want any institutional unions representing them. TWU, IAM, IBT, CWA doesn't matter. They want a segregated class and craft union that only focuses on their issues alone mostly. They don't like being lumped into other workers concerns. IMO they want to isolate themselves.

 
Like the APA and APFA?  What a concept!
 
How are they doing?

 

[WeAAsles]

 
Like the APA and APFA?  What a concept!
 
How are they doing?

They concentrate mostly on their issues just like I said. Did I say something in my post that you disagreed with?

 

[Rogallo]

Nope. Totally agree. It's just your tone!

 

[WeAAsles]

Nope. Totally agree. It's just your tone!

What tone can a person have using a computer keyboard?

And since you "Totally Agree" that shows you're not concerned about other workers aside from yourselves. Why are you posting on a Fleet thread then?

 

[Kev3188]

And in your opinion, who would that be?
 
And what would they do when they can't achieve their goals?

One that actually listened to the membership & acted accordingly.

IOW, the exact opposite of the UAL NC...

 

[Rogallo]

What tone can a person have using a computer keyboard?

And since you "Totally Agree" that shows you're not concerned about other workers aside from yourselves. Why are you posting on a Fleet thread then?

 
Really, we can tell. Plus, you've already admitted you're kind of a smartass!
 
I tend to look out for myself a little when it comes to employment issues.
 
And I think ChockJockey brought up AMFA in your FS only thread!

 

[WeAAsles]

 
Really, we can tell. Plus, you've already admitted you're kind of a smartass!
 
I tend to look out for myself a little when it comes to employment issues.
 
And I think ChockJockey brought up AMFA in your FS only thread!

We?

I never said it was a FSC only thread. That is the topic though but people do like to ask each other questions sometimes.

But YOU agreed that you didn't care about other workers, so I'm curious why you would even contribute on this thread then?

 

[ChockJockey]

And I think ChockJockey brought up AMFA in your FS only thread!

 
I was responding to La Li Lu Le Lo's mention of the AMFA suggesting we accept it in lieu of the IAM and TWU.  I would otherwise have no reason to bring it up.

 

[ograc]

Imo... Solidarity among the represented work groups would be a benefit to all. The represented work groups below wing should stick together and be concerned for all of those in this category. Historically, all represented groups below wing, regardless of representation, craft or class, have suffered the consequences of bankruptcy law, concessions, and job loss through outsourcing. A common thread among work groups below wing. This should serve as a good baseline to build solidarity. What happened to the battle cry "Strength in Numbers!" ? Is it the truth? Is it something that cannot be achieved? The floor is respectfully open for discussion. 
 
 
 

 

[Black Magic]

F&%% solidarity!! That's just a ploy word to try and keep hope for the membership from getting rowdy. The TWU/IAM only care about their own self interest and it shows now more than ever.

 

[JFK Fleet Service]

Strength in numbers didn't work out too well at UAL.

PMUA wanted retro and by god they were going to get it!!Regardless of who went under the wheels.

They fell for the juicy worm just hanging there,didn't quite see that hook they've all got in their mouths about now.

 

[Kev3188]

F&%% solidarity!! That's just a ploy word to try and keep hope for the membership from getting rowdy. The TWU/IAM only care about their own self interest and it shows now more than ever.

Well, maybe it's time for the membership (and working class America as a whole) to get "rowdy?"

 

[T5towbar]

Imo... Solidarity among the represented work groups would be a benefit to all. The represented work groups below wing should stick together and be concerned for all of those in this category. Historically, all represented groups below wing, regardless of representation, craft or class, have suffered the consequences of bankruptcy law, concessions, and job loss through outsourcing. A common thread among work groups below wing. This should serve as a good baseline to build solidarity. What happened to the battle cry "Strength in Numbers!" ? Is it the truth? Is it something that cannot be achieved? The floor is respectfully open for discussion. 
 
 
 

I wish it was that way.
But as you see, everyone has it's own self interests from the rank and file to the District leadership and the AGC's.
From the Line Stations to the Hubs, everyone is out for self and can't see the big picture of our jobs and livelihoods that are under attack.
There are some people who get it. Bust most don't because they are trying to get theirs, no matter about their own comrades who work next to them every day. It's "get mine" and damn what happens next.  It's a hard battle amongst ourselves.  And now people have to make hard choices about what they are going to do next. 
 
I can only inform and talk to people in a straightforward matter to people about what's going on. There are a few of us out there. 

 

[AANOTOK]

Imo... Solidarity among the represented work groups would be a benefit to all. The represented work groups below wing should stick together and be concerned for all of those in this category. Historically, all represented groups below wing, regardless of representation, craft or class, have suffered the consequences of bankruptcy law, concessions, and job loss through outsourcing. A common thread among work groups below wing. This should serve as a good baseline to build solidarity. What happened to the battle cry "Strength in Numbers!" ? Is it the truth? Is it something that cannot be achieved? The floor is respectfully open for discussion. 
 
 
 

That's a tall order brother...over on the TWU side, some are convinced that because of fleet, other work groups have suffered. Coat tail rider I believe is one label used. Uphill battle indeed!