2015 Fleet Service Discussion

[Kev3188]

And the alternatives are?

Electing an NC that knows WTF they're doing...

 

[WeAAsles]

Ok in reading the contract Article 2 (iv) applies to the scenario I asked about if someone doesn't agree to the offer as an individual in a Station that votes to stay open. And Article 7 (H) down talks about what they are allowed for moving expenses, up to $10.000.

http://www.iam141.org/docs/2013-2016%20FLEET%20SERVICE%20EMPLOYEES.pdf

Under these sorts of circumstances I really miss the $12,500 special moving allowance we had in our contract before the BK judges hammer did away with it. (pmAA)

 

[NYer]

Electing an NC that knows WTF they're doing...

 
And in your opinion, who would that be?
 
And what would they do when they can't achieve their goals?

 

[ChockJockey]

That should tell any sane person to dump them both and bring in AMFA.

 
I wasn't aware the AMFA was interested in representing Fleet Service.

 

[WeAAsles]

 
I wasn't aware the AMFA was interested in representing Fleet Service.

Oh God please tell me not. 😱

 

[Rogallo]

They only represent skilled jobs. 😱

 

[WeAAsles]

They only represent skilled jobs. 😱

Whew. Thank God.

 

[700UW]

No they dont, they also represent cleaners.

 

[ChockJockey]

Oh God please tell me not. 😱

 

They only represent skilled jobs. 😱

 
I don't have anything against the AMFA and if I were a mech I might even support them.  It's not an option for Fleet Service, so I don't know why anyone would put it forward in this, the Fleet Service thread.
 
The sense I get is that those who do support the AMFA and loathe the TWU are dead set on the TWU nonetheless being the sole bargaining agent for Fleet and MX as far as the current situation is concerned.  Is that correct?

 

[Rogallo]

No they dont, they also represent cleaners.

 
Can't get nothing past you!

 

[T5towbar]

This whole thing is ugly.

UA (and I think CO) had a lot of cross-utilized stations going into this merger. Instead of keeping those as is, I'm curious why they made everyone choose one side of the house or the other...

The company did this and made the split when the contract was negotiated. 
They forced to make people choose in those cross utilized stations to choose ATW or BTW. When the tiered buyouts came, those people took ATW to get more money, (nearly 65K) leaving BTW not to meet the tier for the larger payout. I didn't like this "tiered buyout" scheme at all.
 
 

It sounds like from what I've heard if the members in those cities who voted no are in the minority on their vote, they will still have the ability to bump the system if they don't want to or can't afford to stay?

There may even be a moving allowance? 

Those who can leave and take the system can with no problem if a deal is accepted. And exercise their seniority and bump as well.
10,000 moving allowance for the people who will move. If people leave and there isn't a full compliment at a station, they will probably hire off the street.
 
 
 

So what I see is FSC at TOS will go down from $24.60 to $22.60 if they agree to the modifications. Except SJC all the stations mentioned for changes are low COL areas where $22.60 is still a good wage.

BUT the problem I would have is the company's ability to schedule split shift work. If I need to rely on being FT or have straight hours as PT to be able to hold a second job I don't think that agreement could work for me.

Hopefully individuals in those stations who can't agree on the modifications if it passes will have the ability to leave for somewhere else in the system where they can maintain more steady FT employment if they wish?

 
I am wondering how split shifts will work in a place like IND?  Some people can make it work if they are PT. I know people who got downgraded to PT that didn't accept the recall to FT because they had a better second job. But it is different for everybody.
 
IMHO, I think that people may accept this, especially those who cannot move or tired of moving. The rest will take the system (either at a newly insourced station or a hub - there will be vacancies) or buyout.  The affected will find out their choices and options by the end of the month.
It's a hard choice for many, and I for one can't judge or begrudge their decision on what choice to make. 
 
I for one don't like the precedent it sets. But my perspective is different being in a hub. We will just have to fight harder next year ('16) to save everything that is left. 

 

[WeAAsles]

 
 
I don't have anything against the AMFA and if I were a mech I might even support them.  It's not an option for Fleet Service, so I don't know why anyone would put it forward in this, the Fleet Service thread.
 
The sense I get is that those who do support the AMFA and loathe the TWU are dead set on the TWU nonetheless being the sole bargaining agent for Fleet and MX as far as the current situation is concerned.  Is that correct?

They ultimately don't want any institutional unions representing them. TWU, IAM, IBT, CWA doesn't matter. They want a segregated class and craft union that only focuses on their issues alone mostly. They don't like being lumped into other workers concerns. IMO they want to isolate themselves.

 

[T5towbar]

Exactly.
There should be a base rate for all and then adjustments UP for the high cost cities.

We used to have that. It was called the "Market Rate Adjustment". The higher cost of living had a base of 1.00 more per hour. It was "red circled" out in the negotiations.

 

[MetalMover]

They ultimately don't want any institutional unions representing them. TWU, IAM, IBT, CWA doesn't matter. They want a segregated class and craft union that only focuses on their issues alone mostly. They don't like being lumped into other workers concerns. IMO they want to isolate themselves.

So why does that bother you? Let us sink or swim. Maybe if the mechanics left the TWU, fleet service might be able to negotiate a way better contract because of it. Are the pilots lumped in with any other work groups? Are they isolated? Wy not ask them if they want to join the TWU?

 

[WeAAsles]

So why does that bother you? Let us sink or swim. Maybe if the mechanics left the TWU, fleet service might be able to negotiate a way better contract because of it. Are the pilots lumped in with any other work groups? Are they isolated? Wy not ask them if they want to join the TWU?

For the one millionth time if it's what you ALL really want then you will get those cards signed and submitted. What are you waiting for?