2015 Fleet Service Discussion

[MetalMover]

 
  Interpret as you may but i believe that the answer was a down the road answer with minimal explanation for a reason.......The Associations will file . A little deceptive yes! ..JMO !

What deception? The merger has gone through. SOC completes the process.
I see this simply as WE WILL VOTE.
 
It is not as ambiguous as the "we will get the company match on our prefunding UPON SUCCESSFUL COMPLETION OF THE 1114.

 

[MetalMover]

Watch out Mike those mechanics on those other threads are looking to sue everybody. Stay out of their way man. They got the scales of justice and are looking for some vindication.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhjBlPucpd0

Better than living like a TWU sheep lap dog.
Still making fun of mechanics WeAAsles?
Just remember you and your family ride on the very aircraft that the mechanics you look down on maintain.

 

[mike33]

What deception? The merger has gone through. SOC completes the process.
I see this simply as WE WILL VOTE.
 
It is not as ambiguous as the "we will get the company match on our prefunding UPON SUCCESSFUL COMPLETION OF THE 1114.

 
 Is the merger complete for you yet?

 

[MetalMover]

 
 Is the merger complete for you yet?

For me, yes it is.....Because I now work for America West even though my uniform says AA. If the merger weren't complete in the sense of the word, we wouldn't be led by a new management team until then. 
All that's left is to work out are the details of a new contract. No different than any other negotiations.

 

[WeAAsles]

I understand. You're good union boy who does whatever the leadership tells you to do. Don't dare question their decisions made on your behalf. Hell, why don't you forfeit your right to vote even on a contract and let the leaders control your fate as well.

I've given my fair share of criticism but unlike you it seems I'm not going to criticize everything or look for things to criticize because I don't like them and want another alternative.
 
 
And this is not about a "write in" choice....
This is simply about a democratic process of YES or NO to the association. 

I would have been and have said I'd be fine with Association, TWU' or IAM but that's not whats going to be on the ballot. The ballot will be Association, No Union and write in option. Take out the No Union option and I would love for it to be on my desk.

 
 
BTW..I mentioned "fools" and you were the first one to defend your position. I didn't mention anyone's name.


Being called a fool by a nameless faceless blogger really doesn't concern me. And I'm only a fool because you want AMFA and everything and anything that helps you in that area is extremely welcome.
 
 
Once again...........You don't want a vote when clearly it states we will vote?


Don't want a vote that has a No Union option on the ballot that I can't control the outcome of. I don't need to play with that kind of fire.
 

1. Q: Will I have the opportunity to vote on whether or not I am represented by the Association?

A: Yes. Following the completion of the American – US Airways’ merger, the Associations will file representation applications with the National Mediation Board (NMB), a federal agency, which will culminate in three separate elections, one for each of the Mechanic & Related, Fleet Service and Stores classifications. You will vote in the election of the classification in which you work with others from both carriers.

 

[WeAAsles]

Better than living like a TWU sheep lap dog.
Still making fun of mechanics WeAAsles?
Just remember you and your family ride on the very aircraft that the mechanics you look down on maintain.

Not making fun of Mechanics actually. Making fun of all these ideas of lawsuits all over the place. As Sol says in the Tube "Why not? Sue everybody"

 

[MetalMover]

 

I understand. You're good union boy who does whatever the leadership tells you to do. Don't dare question their decisions made on your behalf. Hell, why don't you forfeit your right to vote even on a contract and let the leaders control your fate as well.

I've given my fair share of criticism but unlike you it seems I'm not going to criticize everything or look for things to criticize because I don't like them and want another alternative.
 
This about you not wanting a vote....Not about me.
 
And this is not about a "write in" choice....
This is simply about a democratic process of YES or NO to the association. 

I would have been and have said I'd be fine with Association, TWU' or IAM but that's not whats going to be on the ballot. The ballot will be Association, No Union and write in option. Take out the No Union option and I would love for it to be on my desk.
So who is forcing you to vote No Union? You already stated that you are for the alliance. Why deny other members the right to vote No Union if they wish? This is a democratic process, no?
 
 
BTW..I mentioned "fools" and you were the first one to defend your position. I didn't mention anyone's name.


Being called a fool by a nameless faceless blogger really doesn't concern me. And I'm only a fool because you want AMFA and everything and anything that helps you in that area is extremely welcome.
 
No more faceless than yourself. I never called you a fool I said fools don't want a vote. You were compelled to answer.
 
Once again...........You don't want a vote when clearly it states we will vote?


Don't want a vote that has a No Union option on the ballot that I can't control the outcome of. I don't need to play with that kind of fire.
 
Ok I understand. but why would you want to deny other members who want to vote for the choice of No Union? There is a process in place which you want to deny simply because you don't want something. 
 

1. Q: Will I have the opportunity to vote on whether or not I am represented by the Association?

A: Yes. Following the completion of the American – US Airways’ merger, the Associations will file representation applications with the National Mediation Board (NMB), a federal agency, which will culminate in three separate elections, one for each of the Mechanic & Related, Fleet Service and Stores classifications. You will vote in the election of the classification in which you work with others from both carriers.

 

 

[MetalMover]

Not making fun of Mechanics actually. Making fun of all these ideas of lawsuits all over the place. As Sol says in the Tube "Why not? Sue everybody"

So let a judge decide if the lawsuit is frivolous. 
You think it is a waste for time to sue for the pretending we were told we would get? I don.t.
You think it is a waste to sue for an association against the will of the members? I don't.
As for the ORD lawsuit, I have no opinion because I do not work there. You know no more than I do about what is involved or the evidence. So I won;t comment on it. Let the justice system determine what is to be,
 
One concern I have is that this lawsuit might result in retaliation in areas  OTHER than what the lawsuit claims.

 

[WeAAsles]

So let a judge decide if the lawsuit is frivolous. 
You think it is a waste for time to sue for the pretending we were told we would get? I don.t.
You think it is a waste to sue for an association against the will of the members? I don't.
As for the ORD lawsuit, I have no opinion because I do not work there. You know no more than I do about what is involved or the evidence. So I won;t comment on it. Let the justice system determine what is to be,
 
One concern I have is that this lawsuit might result in retaliation in areas  OTHER than what the lawsuit claims.

All I said again is it just seems like a lot of people like to sue? Sue all over the place. Seeham must be loving all this money that's being funneled over to him?

BTW do you know if 591 asked their members if it was ok to use their money for this suit? This is not like paying for an arbitration case for a member. That money does belong to the membership does it not?

 

[MetalMover]

All I said again is it just seems like a lot of people like to sue? Sue all over the place. Seeham must be loving all this money that's being funneled over to him?

BTW do you know if 591 asked their members if it was ok to use their money for this suit? This is not like paying for an arbitration case for a member. That money does belong to the membership does it not?

People sue for various reason all the time. It's the american way. Some lawsuits have merit some are outright frivolous. 
Seeham is a lawyer. Show me one lawyer who would turn down ANY case... It's all about the money.  
I personally do not know where the lawsuit will go nor do I care. I don't work there.
As for 591 polling the members on the funding of the lawsuit, no I wasn't asked. They didn't ask the members when they bought tablets for all union reps down to the shop steward level. The TWU decided what's best WITHOUT input from the members. Like association they agreed to BEFORE asking the members what they wanted. No difference.

 

[WeAAsles]

 

 


I understand. You're good union boy who does whatever the leadership tells you to do. Don't dare question their decisions made on your behalf. Hell, why don't you forfeit your right to vote even on a contract and let the leaders control your fate as well.

I've given my fair share of criticism but unlike you it seems I'm not going to criticize everything or look for things to criticize because I don't like them and want another alternative.
 
This about you not wanting a vote....Not about me.
 
And this is not about a "write in" choice....
This is simply about a democratic process of YES or NO to the association. 

I would have been and have said I'd be fine with Association, TWU' or IAM but that's not whats going to be on the ballot. The ballot will be Association, No Union and write in option. Take out the No Union option and I would love for it to be on my desk.
So who is forcing you to vote No Union? You already stated that you are for the alliance. Why deny other members the right to vote No Union if they wish? This is a democratic process, no?
 
 
BTW..I mentioned "fools" and you were the first one to defend your position. I didn't mention anyone's name.


Being called a fool by a nameless faceless blogger really doesn't concern me. And I'm only a fool because you want AMFA and everything and anything that helps you in that area is extremely welcome.
 
No more faceless than yourself. I never called you a fool I said fools don't want a vote. You were compelled to answer.
 
Once again...........You don't want a vote when clearly it states we will vote?


Don't want a vote that has a No Union option on the ballot that I can't control the outcome of. I don't need to play with that kind of fire.
 
Ok I understand. but why would you want to deny other members who want to vote for the choice of No Union? There is a process in place which you want to deny simply because you don't want something. 
 

1. Q: Will I have the opportunity to vote on whether or not I am represented by the Association?

A: Yes. Following the completion of the American – US Airways’ merger, the Associations will file representation applications with the National Mediation Board (NMB), a federal agency, which will culminate in three separate elections, one for each of the Mechanic & Related, Fleet Service and Stores classifications. You will vote in the election of the classification in which you work with others from both carriers.

 

 



The only reason that there is a "No Union" option on the ballot in the first place is because POLITICIANS put it there. Why do you think they want that option to be something you have as a nice easy choice to make?

I don't need or want something again on my desk that was written by Anti Union POLITICIANS to help delete more numbers from organized labor in support of their corporate benefactors.

You want that option that's your choice but I'd rather the NMB RAM it down people's throats personally and I'd have absolutely ZERO problem with that.

 

[WeAAsles]

People sue for various reason all the time. It's the american way. Some lawsuits have merit some are outright frivolous. 
Seeham is a lawyer. Show me one lawyer who would turn down ANY case... It's all about the money.  
I personally do not know where the lawsuit will go nor do I care. I don't work there.
As for 591 polling the members on the funding of the lawsuit, no I wasn't asked. They didn't ask the members when they bought tablets for all union reps down to the shop steward level. The TWU decided what's best WITHOUT input from the members. Like association they agreed to BEFORE asking the members what they wanted. No difference.

Yes suing is the American way and there are plenty of scuzzbag Lawyers out there willing to tell you that you have a case just to get at your wallet. Sometimes a lawsuit is justified and many times they're just frivolous or there wouldn't be tons of them thrown out of court every year.

Case in point IMO the EBO lawsuit for the equity. Any day now I wouldn't be surprised to see it thrown out of court without merit. The only people harmed being the schmucks who gave the lawyer their money out of their wallets.

 

[MetalMover]

The only reason that there is a "No Union" option on the ballot in the first place is because POLITICIANS put it there. Why do you think they want that option to be something you have as a nice easy choice to make?

I don't need or want something again on my desk that was written by Anti Union POLITICIANS to help delete more numbers from organized labor in support of their corporate benefactors.

You want that option that's your choice but I'd rather the NMB RAM it down people's throats personally and I'd have absolutely ZERO problem with that.

Once again, why are you afraid of a NO UNION option? Do you truly believe that it would prevail? If the option is Association or No Union........should be very easy, no? What is the fear of No union? That it may pass? If that is the case, then it proves people have had it with the TWU.
So you would rather be force fed the association rather than being given a chance to vote on it? Given the option of Association or no Union, I think the association would win. 
And yes there are anti union politicians. But there are members who wish to take their chances and go non union......All courtesy of the TWU. Don't their wishes count?
 
So you have zero problem with having no vote even it means denying members their rights....
Are you that afraid and uncertain of the outcome?

 

[WeAAsles]

Once again, why are you afraid of a NO UNION option? Do you truly believe that it would prevail? If the option is Association or No Union........should be very easy, no? What is the fear of No union? That it may pass? If that is the case, then it proves people have had it with the TWU.
So you would rather be force fed the association rather than being given a chance to vote on it? Given the option of Association or no Union, I think the association would win. 
And yes there are anti union politicians. But there are members who wish to take their chances and go non union......All courtesy of the TWU. Don't their wishes count?

In my group I actually have very little concern that the Association would pass. Can't say the same about yours but that's none of my business. But then talking about my group since that is the thread topic, I'd rather get this show on the road. The FA's got there's, now the Pilots are in and the longer we dick around the more scratch I have to wait for and so do you.

We've already been waiting for almost 12 years now to get something back and you want to wait even longer? SMH!!

 

[MetalMover]

In my group I actually have very little concern that the Association would pass. Can't say the same about yours but that's none of my business. But then talking about my group since that is the thread topic, I'd rather get this show on the road. The FA's got there's, now the Pilots are in and the longer we dick around the more scratch I have to wait for and so do you.

We've already been waiting for almost 12 years now to get something back and you want to wait even longer? SMH!!

I am not willing to rush into another bad deal contract simply because we don't to be odd men out. 
What exactly is the "something" you expect back? I think that not ONE concessionary item we gave will be restored.
One or two more holidays? Maybe but not our original 10.
How about two weeks vacation restored? How about one week back?  I doubt it.
Holiday pay back to double time and half?  I doubt it.
How about restoring the pathetic shift differential? maybe.
 
One thing you can count on is an increase in pay,,,,,But like the pilots and FA's, something will have to be given in return....
 
Any thoughts on what the company might want in return for an increase in pay?