2015 Fleet Service Discussion

He was a great man, got to meet him with my Uncle who was an Inspector for EAL at JFK and LGA.
 
bob@las-AA said:
You could say that, but I have never viewed any of you posts till now. so how could you say "As usual", that is a term used for frequent users of this site. According to the restructured contract in 2003 top out pay was $19.65, but as far as a diminished job? not sure what you are trying to get across but, yes with only close to 7 years seniority, yes this is the most gravy job I had ever had. And it look like back in the day all you slugs had it even sweeter, now that reality has hit home and the endless fountain of cash is now spewing vinegar, all you can do is cry "Dump the TWU". Well I can say I'm no fan of the TWU or any Union, after working under one for half of my adult life. New York IBEW Local 83. Big deal you got a pay cut in 2003, Suck it up and adapt, even if it means you have give that lavish lift style from all that misbegotten and fraudulent Over Time most of you have been licking up like little kittens with a plate of milk........"More Milk Please". All of you should be grateful you still have a job!
 
Wow. Just wow. Your post is full of mispellings and I'm full of misgivings! When I said you made little or no sense I was referring to several of your posts that were so incoherent that I had no idea what you were talking about. I quoted them and responded with statements that were as ridiculous as your posts. You probably thought I was quoting Shakespere. Well at least here I was able to discern some of your point through all the jabberwocky. As misguided as your point of view is. Lucky to have a job indeed. In your case however I think that statement could not be more true. Also I'm not an AMT so I am not trying to dump the twu. There are too many guys like you that agree with the (ongoing) givebacks in Fleet. Guys like you send the message loud and clear that you will give anything to keep your job. The twu is the perfect union for you. Keep up the good work and ligit overtime skippy.
 
Zom JFK said:
Lucky to have a job indeed. In your case however I think that statement could not be more true. 
That does not make him special. TWU is plagued with incompetent people that could not hold a job outside of a UNION.
 
We all know it's true.
 
And the sun goes down on the coconut tree. Restart to Fleet Service issues. Anyone following the announced 2015 bloodletting and outsourcing of represented jobs at UA? 28 more stations to be outsourced by May of 2015. Contractually allowed to happen with no part time cap. What was the International, District Leadership, NC and membership thinking when they agreed to such terms?  
 
or the better question is   WTF were they smoking if they weren't already high enough to come to such outrageous ugliness POS contract like that...   
 
ograc said:
And the sun goes down on the coconut tree. Restart to Fleet Service issues. Anyone following the announced 2015 bloodletting and outsourcing of represented jobs at UA? 28 more stations to be outsourced by May of 2015. Contractually allowed to happen with no part time cap. What was the International, District Leadership, NC and membership thinking when they agreed to such terms?  
The international was obviously thinking they would have a larger pool of employees to collect dues from. Who cares if they can make a living or have benefits. They can PAY to work..... that is the important thing. Isn't it?
 
The membership obviously were victims of UNION fear propaganda.
 
robbedagain said:
or the better question is   WTF were they smoking if they weren't already high enough to come to such outrageous ugliness POS contract like that...   
I don't know if you are native AA or not robbed but if you are I would not be so uppity after the contracts/concessions AA/TWU has sold the membership since 9/11.
 
La Li  Im  PMUS    we've had our own nasty contracts and the likes..  I do work along side few of the AA folks who really despise the TWU and the crappy contracts they negogiated.     
 
robbedagain said:
La Li  Im  PMUS    we've had our own nasty contracts and the likes..  I do work along side few of the AA folks who really despise the TWU and the crappy contracts they negogiated.     

Robbed lest we should ever forget. One contract was negotiated as concessionary at the threat of a BK gun and the next was concessionary by the trigger being pulled on that gun. 

I don't think anyone would be too happy being FORCED to go backwards.
 
ograc said:
And the sun goes down on the coconut tree. Restart to Fleet Service issues. Anyone following the announced 2015 bloodletting and outsourcing of represented jobs at UA? 28 more stations to be outsourced by May of 2015. Contractually allowed to happen with no part time cap. What was the International, District Leadership, NC and membership thinking when they agreed to such terms?  
From what I hear thru the grapevine, some stations have been having second meetings at WHQ in Chicago. All will know their fate by this weekend. More than likely all will be gone. No one is going to take pay and benefit cuts. 
 
This was going to happen anyway. Tier 3 and smaller Tier 2 was going to be on the block anyway. Especially those who exclusively had Express ops. IMHO, I couldn't see a way to keep these in the fold. Plus we don't have our own outsourcing company like DGS or Eagle/Envoy. That works against us as well. The problem was stations like ATL; IND; SAT which had a significant amount of mainline ops. Why they couldn't be folded into Large Tier 2, is a mystery to me. Especially SAT.  Also, many of knew about giving up the PT caps, and the company followed up by the massive downgrades (people bought the lie of LOA#5). Now in my hub, we are dangerously short of compliment, and running a manpower system that cannot work because the lack of FT people.
 
Those stations will be gone. Gone to the lowest bidder. Just like our Cargo (which was just fined 1.3 mil.) People will either take furlough; take the system; or an enhanced Early Out (depending on what they offer). I don't see a massive bump though. 
 
It was about the money...............
 
WeAA  I agree with you bro   now is the time to go forward.. spring forward   company is making huge profits  we all deserve to share in bro..
 
WeAAsles said:
Robbed lest we should ever forget. One contract was negotiated as concessionary at the threat of a BK gun and the next was concessionary by the trigger being pulled on that gun. 
So they threatened bankruptcy then did it anyway........... how did that work out for the TWU membership?
 

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