2015 Fleet Service Discussion

[AANOTOK]

 
I'm not so sure a representational election would have or will go so smoothly or quickly and wouldn't cause a lot of acrimony between the fleet groups.  I also don't know if the company would have been willing to negotiate our JCBA until they'd wrapped up the pilots and FA's.  Are these squabbles that are delaying the NMB being instigated by the unions themselves or by locals or members who oppose the Association, or is it a bit of both?
 
 
Well I guess it's a matter of semantics then.  To my thinking I would first have to have something before losing it, and my pay stubs attest to there being no 4% raise, and last time I checked rhetorical assurances of increased compensation from CEO's isn't recognized as legal tender.  I never received a raise I wasn't expecting, so I have nothing to be angry or bitter about.  I've never owned AA or US stock.
 
 
Control problems are inevitable in the case of a merger I suppose and they will be there in some shape or form no matter which way we go.  Hopefully we get a ruling of some kind soon.

Fair enough...Thanks for the honest and mature response.

 

[mike33]

Read post #251...and I will add that once again your inability to lay any type of blame on your union is hilarious. C'mon man, they are not God, the mob or even the pres, they do make mistakes and blinders must be removed to see them! But, we have been down this road before (you and I) and I'm done beating a dead horse...type away bro!

 
You will have a vote, but only after SCS and after a JCBA is done and if the AFLCIO says a raid is ok.............until then, no hard feelings..............The AFLCIO is in control

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

You know what the difference between being non union and being twu is? In the twu you pay dues to an organization that uses your money to work for the company against you.

Stop being so truthful. The TWU HATES that.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Chock almost every single poster you have read on these threads lately who is bashing either the TWU or the IAM is a Mechanic.

I am not a mechanic.
 
I have very valid reasons for not liking the TWU.

 

[WeAAsles]

 
Between the mechanics' orgiastic amplified echo-chambering of the victimizations they've suffered and WT's ultra-autismo turbo-trolling I haven't had the effort or patience to sift through the forums much recently.

Yea I understand. Sometimes I should tune this place out too with the woe is me, woe is me crowd like they're a bunch of starving Ethiopians or something. 

 

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Holy crap of course they make mistakes. I could probably write a book about the mistakes I think they've made over my career. But mistakes are in the past and I hope every day that the individuals who came up from the ranks that are a part of it now make less and less as time goes by.

Giving concessions with no fight was not a mistake...... it was a choice.
 
It was a choice made by a bunch of sycophants in bed with AA management.

 

[700UW]

You are truly clueless about Chapter 11 and CBAs.

 

[john john]

If you are in Fleet Service tell that to the currently about 35% of "Ready Reserves" that are working over at Delta.

And the unlimited part-timers as well as "Ready Reserves" at IAM United

 

[cltrat]

And the unlimited part-timers as well as "Ready Reserves" at IAM United

Bingo! If that contract at UA doesn't go down as the worse in the history of organized labor without any sort of bankruptcy involved I'd hate see what will.

 

[700UW]

And that very same CBA also just got nine stations of outsourced work, insourced.

 

[cltrat]

And that very same CBA also just got nine stations of outsourced work, insourced.

verses how many outsourced ? or left with the option of huge pay cuts? I'd say nice try but it wasn't even that.

 

[john john]

rather than talk about the situations that brought us all backwards which was concessions and Bankruptcies.

The UA IAM contract was negotiated out of bankruptcies in the now present favorable financial airline industry

 

[T5towbar]

And the unlimited part-timers as well as "Ready Reserves" at IAM United

What "Ready Reserves"?  The contract may allow some Temp help, but we don't have that kind of program like DL. Over 1/3 of their workforce is RR.
The company may wish that, but that isn't going to happen, hence temps may fill in if needed. 
The problem is the downgrading of members from FT to PT in hubs. But I think that will slow down or stop, because the staffing models WHQ (UROC) the geniuses created is causing all kinds of havoc with the manpower. Too many gaps in the staffing. That's the lie of LOA #5, and people bought it. 
 
There is insourcing, but tied to the outsourcing. (These were split ops stations which had to be insourced.)
 
Make no mistake: the smaller stations (Tier 3) was going anyway. We don't have a DGS or Eagle/Envoy. It was only a matter of time. So many took the money because some were out the door anyway.
Someone explain to me how they were going to be saved?  The visits from the 28 to WHQ was just a formality. You can't beat a vendors low ball price. Some of the GM's will be losing their jobs as well. The talks should have been about the insourcing; transfers; and the EO packages for members. We should know by this month what will happen. 

 

[WeAAsles]

The UA IAM contract was negotiated out of bankruptcies in the now present favorable financial airline industry

Ok but isn't it true that the pre merger Co Fleet workers had no Union from 1983 to 2010 and because of that had no contract of which to work from when the IBT was voted in. Then whatever they were able to negotiate from NOTHING was passed over to the IAM to try and work with.

So since there was no protection language or very limited language UAL already had the ability to close multiple stations and I'm very sure made the negotiators keenly aware of that. 

Plus from what I understand the first TA had better protection language but less money. That was voted down because people wanted more money over jobs and stations.

Tell me if any of us had been on that negotiating committee what we could have done better?

Now in regards to us here at the merged AA, we both already have contracts that do have pretty good language for us to maintain work and stations. That's because at least for us here at the AA side we never lost our Union and have had the TWU in place since the 1940's. And you guys on the US side gained the place holder for stations to be maintained until we have a JCBA which was huge. 

So UAL and AA are very different stories.

T5towbar can expand on this very well.

 

[WeAAsles]

What "Ready Reserves"?  The contract may allow some Temp help, but we don't have that kind of program like DL. Over 1/3 of their workforce is RR.
The company may wish that, but that isn't going to happen, hence temps may fill in if needed. 
The problem is the downgrading of members from FT to PT in hubs. But I think that will slow down or stop, because the staffing models WHQ (UROC) the geniuses created is causing all kinds of havoc with the manpower. Too many gaps in the staffing. That's the lie of LOA #5, and people bought it. 
 
There is insourcing, but tied to the outsourcing. (These were split ops stations which had to be insourced.)
 
Make no mistake: the smaller stations (Tier 3) was going anyway. We don't have a DGS or Eagle/Envoy. It was only a matter of time. So many took the money because some were out the door anyway.
Someone explain to me how they were going to be saved?  The visits from the 28 to WHQ was just a formality. You can't beat a vendors low ball price. Some of the GM's will be losing their jobs as well. The talks should have been about the insourcing; transfers; and the EO packages for members. We should know by this month what will happen. 

Rumors are floating around that we may gain back Envoy transfer bags to and from Envoy flights? They are doing an absolutely horrible job at the moment. Otherwise Envoy ground handling and flight activity is a seperate entity for the most part from mainline work. And they are represented by the TWU except for the new AE ground handling service started during the BK as a new business for AA. Or the old AMR.