2015 AMT Discussion

[Roadking5560]

I don't think they've had all the highly specialized training we've had in learning to bend over properly.

 

[1AA]

Was thinking that the association will present a proposal to the company. Does anyone know what's in it? Anybody ask us for the basics? No they did not. Why? Because if they did then the IAMPF would be off the table. What would be the odds that the mandatory enrollment of the IAMPF will be in the proposal to the company? I keep hearing from the association that they will take the best from both union contracts and put a proposal together. So which is best? The 401K match or the IAMPF?

 

[ATD]

If  there is any mention of the IAMPF for the AA guys. then Peterson, Danker should be thrown out of office. First for not telling their membership and second for speaking out against it and keeping there mouth shut when it really counts.

 

[Just the facts]

If  there is any mention of the IAMPF for the AA guys. then Peterson, Danker should be thrown out of office. First for not telling their membership and second for speaking out against it and keeping there mouth shut when it really counts.

The IAMNPF has long been preordained to be proposed. Even before the Association was certified. See TWU and IAM Joint Agreement on Pensions dated 05/09/2013.

Http://twu514.org/files/2013/05/TWU-IAM-Agreement-on-Pensions.pdf

..."NOW THEREFORE, TWU and IAM agree to propose a defined benefit pension with the IAMNPF in negotiations with the New American Airlines for single, combined Collective Bargaining Agreements covering Mechanic and Related, Fleet Service and Stores..."

Of course there is more, and a tiny bit of wiggle room for TWU to slip out if negotiations do not result in agreement. But everyone needs to read this for themselves.

To me, it looks like the best we can hope for is to be offered a choice of 401k matching or IAMNPF. But I seriously doubt that option will be on the table.

LOL. That is if they ever get off their "ASS" and even start negotiating.

 

[chilokie1]

Thank you for posting the link, I think they thought they could sell it to us under the premise 
"a pension is a pension" but a funny thing happened, many TWU members got educated and
are sending a big f--- y-- to the association.  TWU members have never been united on many
issues but this is one they are, but keep up the good work informing other members how bad
the IAMPF is & keep the pressure on your locals that any proposal with a mandatory membership
in the IAMPF is DOA!!!   

 

[Rogallo]

 So which is best? The 401K match or the IAMPF?

 
Do we really need to rehash this subject. The IAMNPF is pure garbage.
 
Nuff said!

 

[Vortilon]

 
Do we really need to rehash this subject. The IAMNPF is pure garbage.
 
Nuff said!

 
Nobody I speak with about switching to the IAM pension is interested in switching to it - for a number of reasons.  I see the association as doing it to collect the money from AA's frozen pensions, but also to serve as another obstacle in finally voting the AMFA in.  Too many downsides to the IAM pension with the early retirement penalty, the ban from working in the industry, and the likelihood of reduced payouts when the fund comes up short.  Not to mention the PBGC only covers a fraction of what the frozen AA plan covers should the whole thing tank.  Only a fool would opt in to a shite sandwich like that.

 

[topDawg]

Buck,
I don't think comp will be moved around. I bet the new management pushes more AMT jobs to outside vendors. The only engine tooling for any growth fleets to be had at AA is for the CFMs. Has anyone heard about overhaul training and tooling for the GEnx, GE90, V2500? The Trent and RB211 are heading outside due to the TAESL closure. Most engine overhaul was in-house now not so much. We will see our raises but there will be fewer here receiving the money. Can't wait to see the proposal.

Of course that is going to be the plan OS. The question is do your union brothers and sisters have the balls to stand up and tell the company no? Judging by the posts on here you guys are just going to pay for your own raises, continue to be a drain on the industry and end up with a cost neutral contract when your company is posting record numbers by the billion(with a B).
 
And the best part of it all, your going to double to amount of work you send out for higher pay that the company and union will take from you the second the industry hits another low spot.         
 
 

I don't know anything about the training and tooling. 
 
American has always had a budget for labor in negotiations. By moving what was mechanic items to outside vendors, is another way of readjusting the available money in this case either higher compensation to the existing mechanics or to other work groups or neither. 

So your company is making record profits and you feel the need to pay for your own pay increases? 
 
Is that what being in the TWU does to people? you feel that, even in record setting times, you should take 20 bucks out of your left pocket just to put it in your right and call it a "raise"? Why not tell the company you want to in source work and get Delta money? Why should you send out 20-30% more work than Delta does just get to less total money than Delta? 

Although more a/c mx will likely be outsourced, no one should be naive enough to believe that ONLY a/c mx will be outsourced.

 
That is the worst logic I have ever heard. Who cares what other work groups should do? you guys constantly b**ch about the TWU taking concessions, and then post on here that you are willing to take concessions. 
 

The JT8 after test shop has completed 2 V2500 QEC kit installs, they have one set of work legs and lifting fixtures( $40K)
with two more sets on the way. The third engine QEC kit just arrived & the third & fourth spare engines will arrive after
the 1st of the year. I know that is not much but I don't see any big tooling purchases announced if any until the joint agreement
is reached.

If you guys get the scope parker wants I'll be willing to bet you wont be doing engines in-house anymore other than maybe the CFM56-7
 

Why are you guys on here so pessimistic about AA sending work outside. has a Union we should be fighting for Higher wages and better benefits. AA is making record profits and we should be insisting on doing more work in-house. We have given enough to this Airline. The time has come to not only get paid what the rest of our two competitors get paid without given one job back stop living in the past. They pay the pilots very well the Flight attendents very well and they have hire more of each. if those two groups didn't sacrifice jobs why should we. WAKE UP

exactly. This is a person who gets it. 
Your company is rolling in money and some of yall are ready to pay for your own raises. 

 

[1AA]

Do we really need to rehash this subject. The IAMNPF is pure garbage.
 
Nuff said!

We need to keep this subject fresh. It's going to screw us over. You know how many people at work don't know anything about the IAMPF. They all have their heads buried in the money part of a contract proposal.

 

[1AA]

Nobody I speak with about switching to the IAM pension is interested in switching to it - for a number of reasons.  I see the association as doing it to collect the money from AA's frozen pensions, but also to serve as another obstacle in finally voting the AMFA in.  Too many downsides to the IAM pension with the early retirement penalty, the ban from working in the industry, and the likelihood of reduced payouts when the fund comes up short.  Not to mention the PBGC only covers a fraction of what the frozen AA plan covers should the whole thing tank.  Only a fool would opt in to a shite sandwich like that.

Not to mention no beneficiary. You die it's done.

 

[Rogallo]

You know how many people at work don't know anything about the IAMPF. They all have their heads buried in the money part of a contract proposal.

 
No, I don't. I guess I don't work where you do!
 
Everyone I talk to at my station knows all about it and knows it's crap!

 

[conehead777]

We need to keep this subject fresh. It's going to screw us over. You know how many people at work don't know anything about the IAMPF. They all have their heads buried in the money part of a contract proposal.

all the amts in dfw know and dose not want any part of it

 

[cheetah]

Tulsa has no clue about it, I rant and rave to anyone that will listen and they look at me like I am crazy.

 

[Realityck]

The last update put out by the TWU was our case would be heard/arbitrated Nov.17-18 by the same arbitrator that heard the FA case.
What is this waiting on the APFA outcome. That's not until at least December. Have the canceled the Nov. case.

 
 
The TWU Arbitration Case is being heard on Nov 17th & 18th.

 

[Realityck]

OK you lost me.  I guess I assumed you were ok with all that stuff since you said you would be happy with everything staying the same (as in status quo on all items) as long as there was a raise.  I think it's pretty clear what I think of the association since I was trying to replace the TWU.  There will be two positions open in the TWU ATD soon.  Virilla and Drummond.  I am predicting that Sean Doyle will be the new ATD director and Lombardo will appoint two more fleet service to the two open positions.  When he does that I hope all the AMTs who wouldn't sign cards realize they have been had by the TWU and stop drinking the Koolaid.  Of course it's probably too late now.

 
 
I understand the Local Presidents are meeting with Lombardo in Washington next week. Why don't you ask the Presidents of Locals 514, 567, and 591, to recommend an AMT for an appointment to an International Staff Position?