2015 AMT Discussion

[MetalMover]

Of course that is going to be the plan OS. The question is do your union brothers and sisters have the balls to stand up and tell the company no? Judging by the posts on here you guys are just going to pay for your own raises, continue to be a drain on the industry and end up with a cost neutral contract when your company is posting record numbers by the billion(with a B).
 
And the best part of it all, your going to double to amount of work you send out for higher pay that the company and union will take from you the second the industry hits another low spot.         
 
 
So your company is making record profits and you feel the need to pay for your own pay increases? 
 
Is that what being in the TWU does to people? you feel that, even in record setting times, you should take 20 bucks out of your left pocket just to put it in your right and call it a "raise"? Why not tell the company you want to in source work and get Delta money? Why should you send out 20-30% more work than Delta does just get to less total money than Delta? 
 
That is the worst logic I have ever heard. Who cares what other work groups should do? you guys constantly b**ch about the TWU taking concessions, and then post on here that you are willing to take concessions. 
 
If you guys get the scope parker wants I'll be willing to bet you wont be doing engines in-house anymore other than maybe the CFM56-7
 
exactly. This is a person who gets it. 
Your company is rolling in money and some of yall are ready to pay for your own raises. 

Since you are pretty good at advising us how to do this and do that and what we should fight for, how about this.......Why don't YOU quit your non union position at Delta and join us at AA so you could represented not only by a worthless union, but a self serving  AND useless ASSociation. 
Better yet, why don't YOU get your fellow mechanics to join the TWU....
Then tell us how it worked out for you. 

 

[Buck]

Of course that is going to be the plan OS. The question is do your union brothers and sisters have the balls to stand up and tell the company no? NO!  Judging by the posts on here you guys are just going to pay for your own raises, continue to be a drain on the industry and end up with a cost neutral contract when your company is posting record numbers by the billion(with a B). YES!
 
And the best part of it all, your going to double to amount of work you send out for higher pay that the company and union will take from you the second the industry hits another low spot.          YES!
 
 
So your company is making record profits and you feel the need to pay for your own pay increases?  NO!, however when you are fight your own represntation how would you suggest we proceed?
 
Is that what being in the TWU does to people? YES!  you feel that, even in record setting times, you should take 20 bucks out of your left pocket just to put it in your right and call it a "raise"? Why not tell the company you want to in source work and get Delta money? Why should you send out 20-30% more work than Delta does just get to less total money than Delta? It was negotiated this time under a Collective Bargaining Agreement under the threat of bankruptcy.
 
That is the worst logic I have ever heard. Who cares what other work groups should do? you guys constantly b**ch about the TWU taking concessions, and then post on here that you are willing to take concessions. 
 
If you guys get the scope parker wants I'll be willing to bet you wont be doing engines in-house anymore other than maybe the CFM56-7
 
exactly. This is a person who gets it. 
Your company is rolling in money and some of yall are ready to pay for your own raises. 
 
The TWU traditionally runs a a jobs program, to keep as many employed as possible as it can. In theory this a great idea, with the results which have been quite successful. but you are correct we are poorly compensated compared to our peers in the industry.

 

[Buck]

I am sick of hearing about amfa. We don't have them. We have an ASSociation that was forced on us. Let stand up and and stand together and fight for what we deserve in this contract. It doesn't matter who represents us if we fight amongst ourselves, which is exactly what we have allowed to happen over the years. Stand together, stand strong. Get what we deserve here and now and then we can work towards getting a union that best represents the wants and needs of aviation. And I mean all of it. Stores, fleet service. Mechanics. The pilots and flight attendants have power in numbers and unity. A union with only mechanics can't stop anything. But if you can service a plane, get parts to a plane, or load luggage then the plane goes nowhere. If mechanics stopped working it would take weeks to hurt the airline. But if we ALL strike we have power. No railroads, no bus drivers. But everyone else that isn't flying the plane or serving the passengers on the plane? That gives us strength. But ONLY if we STICK TOGETHER

OK!​

 

[Buck]

New? Are you freaking kidding me? Because I have common sense or because I think that the membership cacould actually stand together? I'm new to the forum. As far as AA, may of 89

Ok and are you satisfied, with your representation? 
 
If not have you tried to do anything about it?

 

[Buck]

I understand the thinking of not wanting the other classifications included but we don't have the number to effect change with just mechanics. (I'm a mechanic on an MD80 heavy line in Tulsa btw) Stores is separate from us and that's what I'm talking about. We've allowed ourselves to be divided. The company, and past union leadership has allowed it. Dale Danker said it himself in last month's membership meeting. I don't believe our local membership is not the problem.....at least not anymore. Its an international that doesn't have our best interests at heart. They just want our amt dues in a Damn bus drivers union. They aren't getting more because we got less. They got more because we allowed them,to divide us. We have no strength in numbers. We have no unity. We have got what we deserve because fight amongst ourselves that the company can divide and conquer is with No EFFORT NEEDED

Would you mind explaining how stores is separate from us? 

 

[Vortilon]

They did not take a week from US and give it to them. They divided us and we allowed it! I don't know what locals,younger from but I can only assume that you're either at different membership meetings or you're not going because the bitching I hear on here is never mentioned,at the meetings by anyone other than me. In my personal opinion, only #### on here then you need to stfu.I assure you, your voice isn't heard of you only #### on social media and never go to a meeting. You're the problem of that's how you voice your opinion.

 
For a guy who claims to have never voted yes, you know all the TWU tag lines.  I'm gonna call BS on this newbie - just another TWU troll. 
Go back to your one size fits all hole.....

 

[Kev3188]

I am sick of hearing about amfa. We don't have them. We have an ASSociation that was forced on us. Let stand up and and stand together and fight for what we deserve in this contract. It doesn't matter who represents us if we fight amongst ourselves, which is exactly what we have allowed to happen over the years. Stand together, stand strong. Get what we deserve here and now and then we can work towards getting a union that best represents the wants and needs of aviation. And I mean all of it. Stores, fleet service. Mechanics. The pilots and flight attendants have power in numbers and unity. A union with only mechanics can't stop anything. But if you can service a plane, get parts to a plane, or load luggage then the plane goes nowhere. If mechanics stopped working it would take weeks to hurt the airline. But if we ALL strike we have power. No railroads, no bus drivers. But everyone else that isn't flying the plane or serving the passengers on the plane? That gives us strength. But ONLY if we STICK TOGETHER

Nailed it.

If only it was easier done than said...

 

[Badwlmson]

For a guy who claims to have never voted yes, you know all the TWU tag lines.  I'm gonna call BS on this newbie - just another TWU troll. 
Go back to your one size fits all hole.....

I've signed 6 amfa cards and a teamsters card and so far it's gotten me nothing. All I'm trying to say is it doesn't matter who represents us if we don't stick together and apparently we can't do that. So let's work on unity amongst members. If we aren't united then it won't matter who represents us. You are a perfect example of the problem with our union now. I say something that you don't agree with and suddenly a "newbie" and a "union troll". Rather than give a constructive response as to why you disagree with me or why you think my comment is incorrect, you call me names. To me that shows a lack of intelligence. I don't mind constructive criticism. Discussing things and coming to common ground helps everyone. To simply say I'm wrong because I have a different opinion than you will never convince me or anyone else to change our way of thinking.

 

[1AA]

I've signed 6 amfa cards and a teamsters card and so far it's gotten me nothing. All I'm trying to say is it doesn't matter who represents us if we don't stick together and apparently we can't do that. So let's work on unity amongst members. If we aren't united then it won't matter who represents us. You are a perfect example of the problem with our union now. I say something that you don't agree with and suddenly a "newbie" and a "union troll". Rather than give a constructive response as to why you disagree with me or why you think my comment is incorrect, you call me names. To me that shows a lack of intelligence. I don't mind constructive criticism. Discussing things and coming to common ground helps everyone. To simply say I'm wrong because I have a different opinion than you will never convince me or anyone else to change our way of thinking.

That was your problem. You signed a Teamsters card and diverted the agenda of getting rid of the TWU. Many organizers told the membership to not sign a Teamsters card. One union one agenda. But not enough guys listened and then they wondered why the twu is still on the property. We got played by the TWU with the help of the Teamsters. Guys that signed cards thought they were trying to rid themselves of the twu, instead they rid themselves of getting amfa and worked on keeping the twu. We as a group are a bunch of idiots. Can't wait to see how the next drive will go. There will be one. There always is because the twu always screws us over in many ways in one way or another.

 

[MetalMover]

I am sick of hearing about amfa. We don't have them. We have an ASSociation that was forced on us. Let stand up and and stand together and fight for what we deserve in this contract. It doesn't matter who represents us if we fight amongst ourselves, which is exactly what we have allowed to happen over the years. Stand together, stand strong. Get what we deserve here and now and then we can work towards getting a union that best represents the wants and needs of aviation. And I mean all of it. Stores, fleet service. Mechanics. The pilots and flight attendants have power in numbers and unity. A union with only mechanics can't stop anything. But if you can service a plane, get parts to a plane, or load luggage then the plane goes nowhere. If mechanics stopped working it would take weeks to hurt the airline. But if we ALL strike we have power. No railroads, no bus drivers. But everyone else that isn't flying the plane or serving the passengers on the plane? That gives us strength. But ONLY if we STICK TOGETHER

Let's look at a few historical "STICKING TOGETHER"events in aviation history.....
1966, all IAM represented airlines went on strike for 43 days.......No rail worker and no dockworker support.....but more noticeably,  no TWU which represented AA and PanAM.....
And this was when labor was strong and had clout.....
 
Next 1981.....PATCO went on strike...Supported by????????????? No airlines, no rail workers, no dockworkers....No labor organizations which could have affected the US economy......Where were all our socialist labor leaders? Controllers fired and this single event weakened the labor movement especially in the airlines...FOREVER!
 
Move on to 1989.....the IAM struck Frank Lorenzo and Eastern Airlines supported by the pilots and flight attendants...Again, no rails and no dockworker support....But NO OTHER AIRLINES staged any sympathy strikes......Even the mighty IAM William Winpisinger caved in to congressional threats and halted the  its IAM represented workers at the LIRR from striking in support.....
 
And NOW, with labor at its weakest, you expect us to "stick together?"
The TWU has fostered the OH vs LINE method of negotiating, and NOW you expect us to "stick together?"
We have a new generation of employees,......They don't have a clue to how good an airline job once was. They don't have a clue to what we lost, but now you want us to "stick together"

 

[Badwlmson]

New generation? The majority of AA employees have at least 17-18yrs. I would think that's more than enough time being screwed by the twu and the company to want to do something about it. And yes, I want us to stick together. Pipe dream? Probably.

 

[Rogallo]

You would think that wouldn't you. But NO. We can't seem to figure out how to make positive change!
 
We're Insane. "Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result"

 

[MetalMover]

New generation? The majority of AA employees have at least 17-18yrs. I would think that's more than enough time being screwed by the twu and the company to want to do something about it. And yes, I want us to stick together. Pipe dream? Probably.

You obviously don't work ay JFK or LGA. 
I too want to do something about my situation. But too many members don't believe the they were ever wronged by the TWU.

 

[Badwlmson]

I work at Tulsa. I realize we have hired a bunch of line mechanics but the majority of AA employees are still not new. It won't take the new hires long to be wronged unfortunately

 

[1AA]

New generation? The majority of AA employees have at least 17-18yrs. I would think that's more than enough time being screwed by the twu and the company to want to do something about it. And yes, I want us to stick together. Pipe dream? Probably.

Your asking for us to stick together to save your job in Tulsa. How pathetic. We are all AMT'S but the guys in Tulsa over the last 30 years felt that Tulsa was all that mattered and the TWU fed Tulsa what they wanted to eat. Today we still have guys in Tulsa still drinking the kool-aid and throw in the Title II guys who are brainwashed into thinking that changing unions is a bad idea. Nothing has changed in 30 years except the day on the calendar. Just wait and see what the ASSociation will present next week.