2015 AMT Discussion

[dfw gen]

it truly is ironic that all we really have is safety in our numbers, funny how it comes full circle

 

[swamt]

To swamt can you tell me how much more the lead pay is thanks

Yes.  Our lead, inspection, and lead inspector positions are paid by a percentage. Lead and Inspector premium pay is 6% of base of regular mechanic, and Lead Inspector premium pay is another 6% above inspector pay.  As of 8-16-12 here are the following rates for a topped out (6 years or more) mechanic/inspector/lead inspector.  Mech. is 38.59, inspector and or lead is 40.91, and lead inspector is 43.22.  These are just base wages. I think you already know but in case you don't here's some other pay rates;  lic premiums is 2.00 per lic, long is maxed out at 1.30, shift diff is .58 eves and .63 graves. All graveyard workers also get paid lunches. Just so you know, the nego cmte is currently in mediation. Thanks to the recent announcements from Delta 14.5% raises, United's offer of 46.15, 100K early out, 80 million in bonuses ect...  It looks like we should come to an agreement, or should I say something to vote on after the first of the year. Our pilots came with something for the membership to vote on after just 30 days of meetings in mediation.   If you need more info feel free to ask, good luck to you guys...

 

[Buck]

 
Are you a an A&P?
 
If so you should realise that unless you work at a MRO or work under the stations license you will be required to have a a&p ticket so that you can sign for your work on any aircraft, here in the USA.
 
Would you want the air condition guy working on your electrical service in your home?
They are skilled what they do so no negatives there its a FAA requirement.
 
Some guys in Facilities went there when the layoffs happened so they could stay on payroll with the company. Some at AA did that as well. Some are even into automotive. Under the IAM contract they have one list so they can bump into a AA so called title 2 dept. At AA we can't do that. 

Yes, I am an A&P and I know all of these items you are speaking of. However I guess I did not make myself clear. I will restate.
 
Under the JCBA , that is the new contract the ASSociation is going to get us, does anyone know or believe that an A&P License is going to be a requirement to work in TUL, DFW or CLT etc. where there is other than a line environment?

 

[dfw gen]

Yes, I am an A&P and I know all of these items you are speaking of. However I guess I did not make myself clear. I will restate.
 
Under the JCBA , that is the new contract the ASSociation is going to get us, does anyone know or believe that an A&P License is going to be a requirement to work in TUL, DFW or CLT etc. where there is other than a line environment?

im sure there will be grandfathered provisions for non a&p mechanics. but until there is a jcba there is no definitive answer
 
so no noone knows the answer and at this rate non a&p mechanics will be retired before we get a jcba

 

[Overspeed]

dfwgen,
The worst contract out of BK is held by NWA/AMFA. After the BK was over they imposed a deal that only kept 800 AMTs which included managment and union scabs on it. DL AMTs wanted no part of those negotiating tactics as there was no showing of interest after the merger.

 

[amtide]

Title seniority is very important to us in legacy AA. So important that a change to that will make me and a lot of other AMT s vote against a contract no matter how good it be if changes that.

 

[Kev3188]

dfwgen,
The worst contract out of BK is held by NWA/AMFA. After the BK was over they imposed a deal that only kept 800 AMTs which included managment and union scabs on it. DL AMTs wanted no part of those negotiating tactics as there was no showing of interest after the merger.

The difference is those terms were imposed, and most of the people it would've affected were long gone.

You guys actually had people at the table...

 

[Buck]

dfwgen,
The worst contract out of BK is held by NWA/AMFA. After the BK was over they imposed a deal that only kept 800 AMTs which included managment and union scabs on it. DL AMTs wanted no part of those negotiating tactics as there was no showing of interest after the merger.

Well you were gaining some credibility. I just thought maybe you would have grown out of this type of response.  Wasn't you or maybe 700 who said, tell the whole story? I am pretty sure it is obvious that you must not of realized that NWA does not exist any longer. AA went into BK with assets of I believe 5 million in the bank, how much did NWA have? Did NWA have the ability to save itself? While no one at AA relished BK and the wage and benefits that were lost, we are all in a better situation than those evil AMFA members who used democracy to recover from the debacle that your Socialism caused.

 

[conehead777]

Yes.  Our lead, inspection, and lead inspector positions are paid by a percentage. Lead and Inspector premium pay is 6% of base of regular mechanic, and Lead Inspector premium pay is another 6% above inspector pay.  As of 8-16-12 here are the following rates for a topped out (6 years or more) mechanic/inspector/lead inspector.  Mech. is 38.59, inspector and or lead is 40.91, and lead inspector is 43.22.  These are just base wages. I think you already know but in case you don't here's some other pay rates;  lic premiums is 2.00 per lic, long is maxed out at 1.30, shift diff is .58 eves and .63 graves. All graveyard workers also get paid lunches. Just so you know, the nego cmte is currently in mediation. Thanks to the recent announcements from Delta 14.5% raises, United's offer of 46.15, 100K early out, 80 million in bonuses ect...  It looks like we should come to an agreement, or should I say something to vote on after the first of the year. Our pilots came with something for the membership to vote on after just 30 days of meetings in mediation.   If you need more info feel free to ask, good luck to you guys...

thank you very much

 

[dfw gen]

Title seniority is very important to us in legacy AA. So important that a change to that will make me and a lot of other AMT s vote against a contract no matter how good it be if changes that.

there are 1632 title 2 at aa number 634 has 8/5/1995 seniority not very many with not a whole lot of seniority.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

dfwgen,
The worst contract out of BK is held by NWA/AMFA. After the BK was over they imposed a deal that only kept 800 AMTs which included managment and union scabs on it. DL AMTs wanted no part of those negotiating tactics as there was no showing of interest after the merger.

 
The worst contract out of Bankruptcy still belongs to your TWU.
 
The NWA-AMFA strike ended in 2006 - NWA didn't exit bankruptcy til 2007

 

[Overspeed]

Kev3188 and Buck,
I understand we had people at the table and that AMR filed with over $5B in the bank. If you are implying that another no vote would have gotten the TWU a better deal or raises you are sadly mistaken. The laws are heavily in favor of the creditors and the fact that the BK laws allow a company to file at the level of liquidity they did shows you how biased against labor the laws are.
 
ThirdSeatHero,
Totally wrong. There is still more work in-house at AA than any other carrier regardless of how you dissect the scope clauses. AMTs per aircraft are a good indicator of scope. AA in 2014 is around 17 AMTs per aircraft, UA at at 10.5 to 1, US at 9.9 to 1, and DL at 11.4 to 1. On jobs the TWU did better, on wages DL seems to have done better, and US/IAM gave up the jobs and lower wages than AA/TWU. The US/IAM transition CBA brought them up to the AA/TWU wages and a second raise due to the TWU BK negotiated agreement. The statement that the AA/TWU CBA is the worst CBA after BK is false.
 
Moving forward, the Associationhas a great opportunity to seize superior wages. Unfortunately they are deeply mired in a reconciliation process (or stalling tactic) and everyday we lose money.

 

[Buck]

Kev3188 and Buck,
I understand we had people at the table and that AMR filed with over $5B in the bank. If you are implying that another no vote would have gotten the TWU a better deal or raises you are sadly mistaken. The laws are heavily in favor of the creditors and the fact that the BK laws allow a company to file at the level of liquidity they did shows you how biased against labor the laws are.
 
ThirdSeatHero,
Totally wrong. There is still more work in-house at AA than any other carrier regardless of how you dissect the scope clauses. AMTs per aircraft are a good indicator of scope. AA in 2014 is around 17 AMTs per aircraft, UA at at 10.5 to 1, US at 9.9 to 1, and DL at 11.4 to 1. On jobs the TWU did better, on wages DL seems to have done better, and US/IAM gave up the jobs and lower wages than AA/TWU. The US/IAM transition CBA brought them up to the AA/TWU wages and a second raise due to the TWU BK negotiated agreement. The statement that the AA/TWU CBA is the worst CBA after BK is false.
 
Moving forward, the Associationhas a great opportunity to seize superior wages. Unfortunately they are deeply mired in a reconciliation process (or stalling tactic) and everyday we lose money.

I am not implying anything, but I thought you had grown past the AMFA attacks, I guess not. AMFA is not at AA or US or the ASSociation.  
 
 
Jobs? AA  at the time line you are quoting a large number of those AMT's per aircraft were not receiving their license premiums,. That alone is an attack on the quality of a contract.

 

[dfw gen]

Kev3188 and Buck,
I understand we had people at the table and that AMR filed with over $5B in the bank. If you are implying that another no vote would have gotten the TWU a better deal or raises you are sadly mistaken. The laws are heavily in favor of the creditors and the fact that the BK laws allow a company to file at the level of liquidity they did shows you how biased against labor the laws are.
 
ThirdSeatHero,
Totally wrong. There is still more work in-house at AA than any other carrier regardless of how you dissect the scope clauses. AMTs per aircraft are a good indicator of scope. AA in 2014 is around 17 AMTs per aircraft, UA at at 10.5 to 1, US at 9.9 to 1, and DL at 11.4 to 1. On jobs the TWU did better, on wages DL seems to have done better, and US/IAM gave up the jobs and lower wages than AA/TWU. The US/IAM transition CBA brought them up to the AA/TWU wages and a second raise due to the TWU BK negotiated agreement. The statement that the AA/TWU CBA is the worst CBA after BK is false.
 
Moving forward, the Associationhas a great opportunity to seize superior wages. Unfortunately they are deeply mired in a reconciliation process (or stalling tactic) and everyday we lose money.

we have the shittest benefits in the industry your an idiot. we traded jobs for EVERYTHING we lost it all chief. the iam must be laughing at us they went thru two bankruptcy and still had a better contract then us. if i was them i would tell the twu  intl to sit down and shut up they obviously do not know how to negotiate jack ****. again your a damn fool. share gain what a freaking joke.

 

[dfw gen]

giving away profit sharing for a raise we would have gotten any way. jim littles retirment and any benefits he is receiving should be stopped immediately. he totally screwed the membership. phat don should return to the floor to live under the mess the prick created. again you are a damn fool.