2015 AMT Discussion

[dfw gen]

Keep in mind that there is no title 2 at uscare airways. A mechanic is a mechanic so add however many title 2 mechanics to the title one list

 

[Buck]

Keep in mind that there is no title 2 at uscare airways. A mechanic is a mechanic so add however many title 2 mechanics to the title one list

Do they mechanics at US who work on the facility also work on the aircraft? ( and ) Are A&P License(s) required in any form?

 

[topDawg]

Oldguy@AA,
Whatever is the final mix of AMTs comes out to be if the new AA follows the US/IAM scope language we should land around 9,000 total on the Title I list combined TWU/IAM. The current list combined is around 11,000 I believe. Since US keeps a high percentage of the narrow body airframe work in-house I bet the new AA wants to keep the majority of CFM56 in-house but outsource all the other engines. CF6-80 volumes will be dropping with all the 767-300 retirements coming up and RB211s and Trents we have already been told are going outside. The big issue will be if the international stations that AA keeps moving work to. Brazil is growing and I haven't heard anyone bring that up. That's not overhaul work, it's line and as far as I know no other U.S. carrier does as much line work in foreign stations with local hires. Look at GRU and GIG's daily work assignments. SCL and EZE are not far behind. BCs in South America may be coming soon. The Association needs to cap the line work that goes overseas.

FWIW we have about 20 line stations that aren't in the US. Mostly Europe(pre-merger DL) and Asia(pre-merger NW). 
They mostly do over night and ETOPS work. The NRT station is pretty large and has a hangar big enough for a 747. (and they have a few back shops too, the inter port aircraft are supported out of NRT, but they come back to ATL for reliability visits, letter checks etc. Pretty sure they also get overhauls in SAT like the rest of the fleet) 
 
Till the last waves of openings (IIRC 8 stations in 2 years) i think we might have had more international stations then domestics. 

 

[700UW]

Plant maintenance mechanics dont work on planes.
 
Most PM at US do have their A&Ps though.

 

[conehead777]

To swamt can you tell me how much more the lead pay is thanks

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

Keep in mind that there is no title 2 at uscare airways. A mechanic is a mechanic so add however many title 2 mechanics to the title one list

dfwgen
 
with the way they are going to merge the two airlines employees you do need to realise that we have a title 2 group. It is a separate work group and they are NOT on our seniority list. They are in a different classification. occupation.
 
They won't be added to our list. They will however be able to vote on our contract just as they do here at AA.

 

[Kev3188]

Yet another reason to get seniority resolved, like, yesterday...

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

Do they mechanics at US who work on the facility also work on the aircraft? ( and ) Are A&P License(s) required in any form?

 
Are you a an A&P?
 
If so you should realise that unless you work at a MRO or work under the stations license you will be required to have a a&p ticket so that you can sign for your work on any aircraft, here in the USA.
 
Would you want the air condition guy working on your electrical service in your home?
They are skilled what they do so no negatives there its a FAA requirement.
 
Some guys in Facilities went there when the layoffs happened so they could stay on payroll with the company. Some at AA did that as well. Some are even into automotive. Under the IAM contract they have one list so they can bump into a AA so called title 2 dept. At AA we can't do that. 

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

Plant maintenance mechanics dont work on planes.
 
Most PM at US do have their A&Ps though.

 
if the Plant Maintenance, Facility, auto mechanics at US that have their A&P lic. and want to be on a title 1 list after the seniority integration they should take an A&P position before that happens.other wise they will be on a separate list.
 
Even though I HATE the TWU I can't see the TWU leadership allowing the combining of the title 1 and title 2 list here at AA like the IAM has under McCaskill Bond.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

What ever happened to the mechanics having separate negotiations?

 
In theory we have that at AA but you do realise that the same members of the unions ATD do the negotiating.
 
Alternating the days/times that they discuss each contract. ramp/fleet one day then M&R the next. Only when the ATD brings out of the meetings what was discussed do the sub group of local pres. and others sent to negotiations get to discuss whatever articles.
 
Suggestions from these sub groups can be brought fwd into the actual meeting but the ATD does not have to they are the governing body. They have the final say what we are to end up with. They even have the power to sign off on anything sign we have been considered as electing them as our reps.
 
Here at AA the members of the negotiations committees never actually meet with the company. That is done by the ATD and the legal team they bring or not.
CEO's, MGMT, HR and those types who do sit in at any company negotiations are not going to deal with the members on the floor. Can you just imagine how that would go? The first FU would end that meeting. 

 

[Birdman]

Are you a an A&P?
 
If so you should realise that unless you work at a MRO or work under the stations license you will be required to have a a&p ticket so that you can sign for your work on any aircraft,. [/b][/color]

Non A&P's have been working in A/O in Tulsa for as long as I can remember, some good mechanics and some not. The TWU couldn't care less if you have an A&P, the skill premium puts you just shy of 2 tickets so why bother?

 

[Badwlmson]

A non a&p in AO gets $1/hr skill premium. That's a little more than just shy I'd say.

 

[dfw gen]

dfwgen
 
with the way they are going to merge the two airlines employees you do need to realise that we have a title 2 group. It is a separate work group and they are NOT on our seniority list. They are in a different classification. occupation.
 
They won't be added to our list. They will however be able to vote on our contract just as they do here at AA.

the point i was trying to bring up was we cant have everything our way there is going to have be some compromise. there are a few things we control and some things we don't the company will simply not agree too. layoff do we follow the twu way or the iam way? i cant imagine the company agreeing to follow the iam way of doing layoffs. to be honest i would not want to either that would bump me out of dfw to a less desirable area. layoffs have been done thru the juniority pool at aa for ever, that's the system i have been "raised" with and what we are used to. if it changes so be it ill deal with it.personally that's a no vote for me. why should i vote to uproot myself. Job seniority? iam has it we don't. we have title 2 iam does not are you saying we are going to get everything? don't see that happening we are going to have to compromise on a few items. 

 

[dfw gen]

we need to remember we have absolutely the worst contract out of bankruptcy of everyone hands down. thank you to jim little and phat don. i would gladly take their contract with the delta plus whatever the flavor of the day is. Jim Little TOTALLY fu*ked us with the contract and the agreement for the association. we may outnumber them 3 to 1 but we literally dont have much to offer in the way of contract enhancements.

 

[dfw gen]

if you look at the seniority agreement that jim little signed it covers 4 groups: fleet service, mce i believe are tech services training etc, maintenance and accredited jobs and stores. is accredited jobs facilities and automotive?