2015 AMT Discussion

[Bob Owens]

I wouldn't count on being able to CS and commute. Rumor has it they are going to screw that up for us!

. The company benefits just as much as the employee by having a liberal CS policy in place.

 

[Bob Owens]

I think the association will top this since the IAM is in charge, their contract was better then outs after two bankruptcys. Seems like the IAM president is ready to negotiate where GP is saying we are going to have this contract until 2018. Not sure why GP wants to wait so long.

When did GP say that? BTW from what I've heard the UAL deal includes selling out the newborn and is a six year deal. You seem to forget that the IAM current deal brought their pay up to ours and the company was making billions in profits, if they were any good they would have brought back at least Deltas wages, but instead they brought back what we ended up with out of BK.

 

[MetalMover]

 I heard several months ago that AA was considering a 100k buyout also but the fear was not many would take with the new raise. 

100k?  Try me!

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

100k?  Try me!

That is less than one year of compensation they are willing to pay you to be unemployed.

Unless one is already past retirement age, or already have another job lined up (with similar compensation) then one would be foolish to accept this.

 

[Badwlmson]

There are hundreds and hundreds of 59+ year olds in Tulsa though, that's the thing

 

[iluvaa]

I'm under 50 and would take a 100k and run

 

[chilokie1]

Or the talk of a Tulsa layoff is just to get more people to take buyout. I heard several months ago that AA was considering a 100k buyout also but the fear was not many would take with the new raise. Greed is a powerful thing, lol. We have a LOT of people over 60 here that would leave if they would just bridge the insurance.

It would be great if you could put the 100K in a medical insurance fund that would lesson the tax hit
and solve the insurance bridge problem, to bad we couldn't have just pre-funded it starting when we were
 new hires...........errrrr stupid idea.

 

[MetalMover]

That is less than one year of compensation they are willing to pay you to be unemployed.

Unless one is already past retirement age, or already have another job lined up (with similar compensation) then one would be foolish to accept this.

I am of the age and have the years of service where I could take the buyout and retire. 
BTW had 100k been offered rather than the $39500 , may more of us would've taken it.

 

[Deleted member 14439]

I know that you are one of the guys in Tulsa that has tried to do the right thing for the profession. Unfortunately there weren't enough of you there. IMO if you are senior or have a specialized skill and only have five more years or so, don't sweat any of this stuff. But younger A&Ps in Tulsa should really think about what their next move will be, find another job and stay in Tulsa, wait till a RIF and go with what's left, NY and LAX, or try and get somewhere of their choosing prior to a RIF.
The dynamics have changed, the inclusion of the USAIRWAYS guys will tilt the numbers strongly in favor of the line. The line has no interest in agreeing to bottom of the industry to save Tulsa and Tulsa no longer has the numbers to force that into place. That's just reality.
Would a 1200 man layoff affect DFW? I doubt it, it would most defineately affect NY1, ORD and LAX. In a way that a good thing, because that's why it may not happen. Ironically the Juniority pool may work in Tulsa's favor because it limits the options.
Currently Tulsa has 2794 AMTs, the line has 3503.1200 would bring Tulsa down to 1990 seniority. The bottom guy in DFW has 2011, the guy just above him has 2003. Of the bottom 1200 on the line 114 are in DFW . So if all 1200 bumped the system The Bottom 114 in DFW would be effected. If only 500 bumped and passed the test then one guy in DFW could be bumped the others would have to go to JFK\LGA(176), LAX (73), ORD (137), MIA (85), and a few in ATL, BOS, DCA,EWR,PHL,SAN,SEA, & SFO. Pretty much all high cost areas where a 1600 square foot home within 50 miles of work would run at least $300k.
My guess is that most of the bottom 1200, even the bottom 500, would not be swayed by saving Tulsa in exchange for bottom of the industry, Tule is now just another station that is no more secure than JFK, LAX or even EWR. Who knows, with the move towards phase checks and any from B and C checks the line may be able to absorb any reductions made in Tulsa. As the 757s and MD80s go away the Airbus and 737s etc will be coming into heavier and heavier phase checks on the line. The company would be getting more effecient use of their expensive line hangar space in places like MIA, JFK, LGA, BOS,ORD, DFW, LAX, STL ,SFO, PHL,DCA?,CLT, PIT, PHX (Did I leave anyone out? )

Consider this though, if "juniority" is discarded in the new JCBA in favor of IAM language. Then we are in new and uncharted territory. As I understand it, guys would be able to go wherever they wanted as long as their seniority would hold it.

 

[Salty Dog]

. The company benefits just as much as the employee by having a liberal CS policy in place.

I don't think they would do away with it completely. They may however go with US CS policy which is more restrictive and would be tough on commuters

 

[Tater Salad]

Well.. everyone knows what really needs to be done... DFW has been doing IT for years.. Evidenced by all the work pulled out.. You and everyone should look to the stations that got the work.. The DWHs and MIAs of the system... the stations that get #### done.

+10000000

 

[Tater Salad]

Trust me, I'm  no fan of the ASSociation, but now that it looks like 2 of our competitors are going to give their AMTs substantial raises. Logic would dictate that this would put more pressure on the company to at least give us something similar. Maybe I'm smoking crack, but the ASSociation might have actually done something right by waiting all this time letting Delta and United ink their deals first. Just think if they hurried and got the deal done ASAP before that happened, at best we probably would have gotten the former Delta rate +3.
 
Brilliant strategy or just dumb luck?   I know, I know it's the latter.

 

[Traymark]

Luck beats Good every time.

 

[bigjets]

When did GP say that? BTW from what I've heard the UAL deal includes selling out the newborn and is a six year deal. You seem to forget that the IAM current deal brought their pay up to ours and the company was making billions in profits, if they were any good they would have brought back at least Deltas wages, but instead they brought back what we ended up with out of BK.

Talked to GP in terminal, listened to him in union meetings.

Usair went threw two BKs and didn't lose sick, vc, holidays/pay etc, to the extent we did, having a CS policy in contract. I do agree coming up to our pay was a real disappointment for us on their last contract.

Some may disagree about CS policy, they like it the way we have it, but the brutal honesty is, when you're going to decide to commute based on current CS policy, then all of a sudden you get a manager who just changes it because he can.

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

Trust me, I'm  no fan of the ASSociation, but now that it looks like 2 of our competitors are going to give their AMTs substantial raises. Logic would dictate that this would put more pressure on the company to at least give us something similar. Maybe I'm smoking crack, but the ASSociation might have actually done something right by waiting all this time letting Delta and United ink their deals first. Just think if they hurried and got the deal done ASAP before that happened, at best we probably would have gotten the former Delta rate +3.
 
Brilliant strategy or just dumb luck?   I know, I know it's the latter.

That UAL deal is not a deal at all. It is a try at a LBFO. Don't be hoodwinked by the fancy chart and pay. They are selling a "D" scale and taking away far more than is being given.