2015 AMT Discussion

[bigjets]

So let's get this straight, AA and the associated haven't met yet, but the mechs on the floor in Tulsa have "heard" that fleet svc and facilities maintenance will now do maintenance on the interiors. Well that just sounds like a load of crap on so many levels. Besides the fact that those work groups aren't exactly over manned unlike the 350 mechs without a home come January. Let's just gloss over the obvious of having a repair facility (TUL) with the ability to have unlicensed mechs working under a licensed mech.

If we are just going to make stuff up, let's say MIA will be a big maintenance center like DWH/DFW. CLT will get all Airbus work as they are the second biggest hub with a mild climate. AA going big in SFO and LAX to challenge delta, and AA and Alaskan will do a partnership like air France and KLM to fight delta on west coast. I heard this on the floor.

 

[Roadking5560]

I don't think it's right to say FSC "poached" jobs from A/C Maintenance.  They are offered (by the company) more job opportunities, equating to more people and more seniority for current members.  It's a win-win for them.  I wouldn't expect them to say no or put up much of a fight.

 

[Roadking5560]

The onus is on us to protect what we have.  Our classification is becoming more narrowly defined.  The company wants to eventually limit us to work strictly in line with our license.  We are demanding more money (and rightly so). The unfortunate consequence of all this may be having fewer and more specialized job functions. 

 

[MetalMover]

1AA,
Talk on the floor is that AA is going to shift work that they feel is not AMT required to fleet, Title II, and South America (more cabin checks). I am not sure if that is because of the DL+7 DL+3 with DL work rules proposal from Parker. If Parker moves us towards the LUS MX programs (requires fewer total AMTs - note fewer AMTs per aircraft at US than AA under the IAM scope clause), outsourcing of all engine overhaul, and more work rule concessions we will see fewer AMTs but making more money on an individual basis.

And all you have to do is read the current contract which allows a lot more than most people realize.
But I will say this.......if they do want more work rule changes, DL + 3 just ain't gonna cut it.
 
The funny thing about this whole OH discussion is that it is discussed as if the IAM people will have no say in protecting OH, namely TUL. The IAM folks have been through two BK's and their OH base was gutted. And they were only recently brought up to AA wages. They are working under work rules that are going to be ALL of our work rules.
 
People need to accept it. It sucks, but being an airline worker, it should be expected.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

MM
 
Reading current and past contract is something I have realised here the AMT's of AA don't do. They don't care as long as it doesn't effect them, or is close to affecting them and the task they perform.
 
O/H shops, Facilities, automotive, segmented phase checks, "B" Checks, Taxi Tow, any and all work that we do as mechanics needs to stay with maintenance. How much is depend upon each one of YOU.
 
The IGM that has been here at AA for so many yrs needs to stop. The give backs that we all have done in each of the past  (4) contracts has hurt our class and craft.
 
You all need to realise that the number of people we have is so much more than what Delta has and United. Letting any work be given to another work group is and will cause reductions.
 
many from around the system have said that there is no accountability here with anything. Well the new work rules are going to bring that. We may not like them but they are part of the future for us all.
 
As some have noticed even the TWU reps need to show up at work these days. I am sure they don't like that. The IAM Leaders are not going to bow to the TWU and the IAM members are going to look to protect what they have as well. 
 
At what point is the TWU membership going to say  "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH"

 

[WeAAsles]

I thought I heard that the NMB ruled that Cabin Service (Cleaning) is now part of your class and craft? If so do you think you could convince the company to pay mechanic wages for that job when they fought for years to get it out of our hands?

As far as random drug testing for Fleet. Oh please let it happen.

 

[swamt]

And all you have to do is read the current contract which allows a lot more than most people realize.
But I will say this.......if they do want more work rule changes, DL + 3 just ain't gonna cut it.
 
 

Looks like Parker has already gotten what he wants.  Everyone is willing to accept the D+3 instead of instructing the nego cmte to nego and get the promised D+7.  If this asso. goes into nego's and just accepts the D+3 then they did nothing for the membership. They should hold Parker to what he promised from the get go. Let's not forget that the +7 was in-lieu of PS, so what changed that figure from the +7 to the +3.  I say for the amount of PS you guys are missing out on that D+7 should be the absolute minimum.  If this asso. just lays down and accepts this then they will prove yet again that they just love to agree with the company all the time.  Email your Local, International, nego cmte, and every single person sitting at the table and demand that the D+7 is put back on the table. What is still unknown is the "other" concessions that the company wants (work rules)...

 

[700UW]

And you fail to say the 7% was before DL announced a 14.5% raise.

 

[99Roadstar]

and you fail to say, Delta still gets profit sharing

 

[700UW]

And you fail to say that DL is cutting profit sharing for the second time.

I have posted the Credit Suisse article before that explains it.

That is one of the reasons DL's pilots voted their TA down.

 

[ATD]

We will get what our Fleet Services negotiators think we should get..it is up to us to vote it in or not.

 

[700UW]

We will get what our Fleet Services negotiators think we should get..it is up to us to vote it in or not.

You guys are so bitter it's crazy, you have one person from the ATD that was Fleet, all the AA Presidents are mechanics as everyone on the IAM side is a mechanic except for one lead stock clerk, as stores at US are on the M&R CBA.

Don't let the facts get in your way at all.

 

[Vortilon]

The onus is on us to protect what we have.  Our classification is becoming more narrowly defined.  The company wants to eventually limit us to work strictly in line with our license.  We are demanding more money (and rightly so). The unfortunate consequence of all this may be having fewer and more specialized job functions. 

 
 
Yeah, funny you should mention that.  Let me point out (yet again) that the AA M&R Ass. negotiating team is led by a (you guessed it) an International appointed Fleet Service Clerk.  What could go wrong?  BTW the NMB is in bed with big labor unions in making it as difficult as possible for licensed A&P mechanics to have their own classification.  The obvious reason is to balkanise the group, which by it's very nature makes it more difficult to get everybody on the same page.
 
BTW, I will call it poaching.  I can remember going to the union meetings, back before separate locals were established.  The FSCs made no secret of their intentions.  They were even proposing changing their title to something that sounded a little more skilled.  De icing was the last big grab. 

 

[DallasConehead]

They grabbed push backs, window cleaning, deicing, what else? And what do we think they will grab this time around?
 
And people wonder why we have a case of the ass over bag handlers.

 

[700UW]

Grabbed?

You voted in your CBAs that GAVE them the work, they didn't take them.