2015 AMT Discussion

[1AA]

AA has 14,000 mechanics for 900 airplanes, WN has what 2,300 for 700 airplanes.
 
Do the math its very simple.

And your point is? Let's just be thankful that SWA doesn't have you on their payroll.

 

[1AA]

I'm not wishing this on you I personally think you are skilled and should be compensated such. But do the math 14,000  for 900 A/C as opposed to 2,300 for 700 A/C in a competitive business

You have to realize that AA has less outsourcing and more widebody aircraft to maintain. This includes overhaul. Too bad this AMT discussion thread has been hijacked by fleet service. Fleets thread must be boring or they just hate AMT'S so much that they will go to lengths to have AMT threads locked.

 

[700UW]

And WN outsources 73% of their maintenance and only does four lines of C's in-house.

You fail once again at your spin.

 

[Vortilon]

And WN outsources 73% of their maintenance and only does four lines of C's in-house.

You fail once again at your spin.

 
Like what has been brought up before.  AA has 9 or 10 different fleet types, half of which are wide bodies.  AA has ETOPS requirements that need to be met and maintained for all the over water trips.  AA also has to maintain an LMP program - SWA, at least - last I heard - did not.
 
Look if AA management decides they want to cut AMT headcount - they are gonna do it.  It's out of our hands.  We are done accepting less pay and benefits for some phoney notion it's on maintenance only - to suck it up and take less so more can be employed.  Do we get a tax write off for a charitable contribution by accepting less?  Point is, management knows they are getting a much better product by keeping work in house, and on time.
Then there is this: http://www.mccaskill.senate.gov/media-center/video/view/mccaskill-presses-top-tsa-official-on-safety-security-of-foreign-repair-stations-for-us-aircraft

 

[Vortilon]

You say the laid off 15,000 that probably wasn't enough to reach the same costs as LUV maybe they would have to layoff another 5,000 to reach that. Why can't you geniuses understand this is a competitive business not a place that prints  money for the elite skilled soon to be replaced by Mexican MROS mechanics."But... but the work is inferior  they won't be able to do it"  guess what they are. Check out your Learning Path guys there is an ESPANOL option

 
Just go back to your own thread, nobody here cares about the opinion of a Fleet Service Clerk regarding AMT negotiations.  Especially, considering the fact it was like minded clerks that have back stabbed AA's AMTs in the past.

 

[700UW]

Like what has been brought up before.  AA has 9 or 10 different fleet types, half of which are wide bodies.  AA has ETOPS requirements that need to be met and maintained for all the over water trips.  AA also has to maintain an LMP program - SWA, at least - last I heard - did not.
 
Look if AA management decides they want to cut AMT headcount - they are gonna do it.  It's out of our hands.  We are done accepting less pay and benefits for some phoney notion it's on maintenance only - to suck it up and take less so more can be employed.  Do we get a tax write off for a charitable contribution by accepting less?  Point is, management knows they are getting a much better product by keeping work in house, and on time.
Then there is this: http://www.mccaskill.senate.gov/media-center/video/view/mccaskill-presses-top-tsa-official-on-safety-security-of-foreign-repair-stations-for-us-aircraft

What don't you get?

WN outsources 73% of its maintenance.

 

[Vortilon]

What don't you get?

WN outsources 73% of its maintenance.

 
Oh I get it alright; however, that has been the way SWA has operated from their beginning.  Good for them bringing in more overhaul maintenance.  Look, we didn't hire on to sacrifice making less - so more could be employed - that shouldn't be our problem.   Only a scumbag union would attempt to lay that guilt trip on us!  

 

[OldGuy@AA]

 
Oh I get it alright; however, that has been the way SWA has operated from their beginning.  Good for them bringing in more overhaul maintenance.  Look, we didn't hire on to sacrifice making less - so more could be employed - that shouldn't be our problem.   Only a scumbag union would attempt to lay that guilt trip on us!  

Too bad I can only give you a plus 1.  Great post

 

[bigjets]

Oh I get it alright; however, that has been the way SWA has operated from their beginning.  Good for them bringing in more overhaul maintenance.  Look, we didn't hire on to sacrifice making less - so more could be employed - that shouldn't be our problem.   Only a scumbag union would attempt to lay that guilt trip on us!

Best post ever written!!!!!


It AA says we are over manned by 2000 mechs. AA should lay off 2000 mechs. I don't see that happening as we don't have the man power to keep up with IAW and all the manual changes. Every job takes twice as long. Even when we get a good contract, we still have IAW to contend with along with new managers making a name for themselves by changing everything

 

[conehead777]

AA has 14,000 mechanics for 900 airplanes, WN has what 2,300 for 700 airplanes.
 
Do the math its very simple.

im glad your not on the nc. let me explain something to you you stores clerk . AA has over 6900 flights a day southwest has 3900 plus a day. Plus what has been told to you AA Has ETOPS flights requiring more mechanics needed . Plus md80 a320s a330s b737 b757 b767 b777 b787 and soon a350s . Southwest has one fleet type 737 . You do realizes working on wide body aircraft take more mechanics. But you probably do not since your not a amt. I guess aa is happy with the amount of mechanics they have. But that's no excuse to be the lowest paid mechanics in the industry. Why when it comes to aa mechanics you and others bring up mechanic numbers that's total bs. I'm sick of hearing that. untill you get your A&P license stay out of our business .

 

[Deleted member 14439]

We have 14000 AMTs? Looking at the master list tonight we have 7434 title 1. LUS has how many AMTs? How about a reference 700UW to that 14000 number?

 

[Gman10]

It's funny how WN is used as a comparison when something needs to be taken away but not when something needs to be given. AA did not compare themselves to WN when the "Industry Average" was conceived. I guess they are not part of the industry.

 

[700UW]

There are 6,000 mechanic and related at US.

It's in the 10k and what you all still don't get is WN OUTSOURCES 73% of ALL its maintenance.

They only do 27% in-house, they farm out more maintenance than any other US based airline.

Something it seems none of you can comprehend.

 

[FWAAA]

We have 14000 AMTs? Looking at the master list tonight we have 7434 title 1. LUS has how many AMTs? How about a reference 700UW to that 14000 number?

At the end of 2015, LUS had 3,500 maintenance, stock clerks and related. My guess is that no more than 2,500 hold A&P licenses.

 

[conehead777]

We have 14000 AMTs? Looking at the master list tonight we have 7434 title 1. LUS has how many AMTs? How about a reference 700UW to that 14000 number?

acording to the us air mechanic seniority list on the twu 591 site there are 3559 mechanics .