2015 AMT Discussion

[700UW]

Ok so for 2014 WN outsourced 60% of its maintenance.
 
2014 WN had 2,138 mechanics.
 
http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/2014%2012%20Month%20Documents/Employees%20and%20Productivity/Individual%20Employee%20Data/Southwest%20Airlines%20Employee%20Data%20and%20Analysis.htm
 
And per WN's 10k, 2015 WN had 2,300 on page 19 of the 10K
 
http://investors.southwest.com/~/media/Files/S/Southwest-IR/documents/company-reports-ar/ar-2015.pdf

 

[OldGuy@AA]

Funny all except one are mechanics from the AA side and that's because the mechanic presidents couldn't choose a leader amongst themselves.

You are WRONG as usual.  Sean Doyle is in charge of the TWU negotiating team.  He is a fleet service clerk and is an international vice president.  We have no AMTs in the TWU international.  Therefore we have no representation.  Stop posting on stuff you know nothing about.  The mechanics don't get to pick anything as far as the international goes.  Our international president is a former train mechanic from PHL and all the Air Transport Division including the ATD director are former fleet service clerks.  Therefore we have no mechanics on the international staff. They are APPOINTED by the president of the TWU not voted on by any of us.  Again..... Sean Doyle leads the negotiating team for TWU.  He is NOT an AMT.  He is a FLEET SERVICE CLERK.  Now go away.  

 

[700UW]

Go ask the mechanics presidents what they were asked to amongst themselves and what their positions were and what was the outcome when the first international told them to pick one of themselves to be in charge, go ask and what I told you will be validated.

 

[OldGuy@AA]

Go ask the mechanics presidents what they were asked to amongst themselves and what their positions were and what was the outcome when the first international told them to pick one of themselves to be in charge, go ask and what I told you will be validated.

Sean Doyle is in charge and that is well documented.  You are all wet.

 

[700UW]

Do you not want to know what happened?

You will lol be surprised who is to blame and it's not the international.

 

[lpbrian]

Conehead777 nailed with regard to fleet types. Wide body's require a disproportionately higher number of AMTs per AC than narrow bodies. Sleeper seats, IFE, etc all contribute to the much higher AMT counts. Then there is the 787. It is a by the book airplane. You have to follow the AMM by the book. You can't take short cuts. All this takes time and more AMTs

 

[conehead777]

Calm down before you stroke out I was merely telling my fellow AA employees that if they wanted SW, UPS and Fed Ex pay they would likely have to accept their work rules for AA to stay competitive and not file for bankruptcy again that's all. If you have a formula where they can get industry leading pay and their work rules remain the same and AA can be competitive please bring it to their attention so they can tell their negotiators. In the mean direct your energy to your own negotiations

well there's 9892 fleet service on the aa side . And how ever many on the us side. So you know what you might want to worry about your group instead of comeing on the amt page with your bs. AA Went bk with over 4 billion in cash available to them. The sham bk .so paying the AMTS industry leading pay and benefits are not going to break the company. AMT work rules for one airline might not work for another airline do to fleet type wide body versus narrow body. ETOPS non ETOPS etc . Why are you obsessed with what the AMTS do. I have a suggestion for you since your so obsessed with us go get your A&P license.And you seem obsessed with swa amts allso. You have no clue to what your talking about. Working on a airplane is not the same as flipping burgers . That's to you 5 dollar burger comparison you made .l don't know to many burger. Flippers who certify a airplane to fly cat 3 rembers that next time your landing in 0 0 visibility . Are they do not rig flight controls . Etc etc and your the one to talk telling someone to direct there energy on there negotiations when your fleet on the amt page. put your energy on the fleet negotiations not AMTS . fleet has there issues we have ours .swamt is a amt and your not is input is always welcome . Yours not so much since you are not a amt

 

[conehead777]

Yes there are separate budgets, and each department is very diligent when it comes to not crossing over dollars.
 
Each department submits its own budget to Finance every year.

but in negotiations there's a budget for twu the fleet and amt related and the twu decides how much to give to fleet stores and amts . Just like in the bk contract stores got a extra week of Vc . Amts lost a week .

 

[700UW]

Here is a good article on outsourcing:
 
http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/11/airplane-maintenance-disturbing-truth
 
From Vanity Fair Magazine.

 

[swamt]

Calm down before you stroke out I was merely telling my fellow AA employees that if they wanted SW, UPS and Fed Ex pay they would likely have to accept their work rules for AA to stay competitive and not file for bankruptcy again that's all. If you have a formula where they can get industry leading pay and their work rules remain the same and AA can be competitive please bring it to their attention so they can tell their negotiators. In the mean direct your energy to your own negotiations 

If I need to "bring it to their attention"  the AA'ers are in deep crap.  These post would never happen if people would do a little research before posting false information.  And WE are "sick and tired" of hearing anyone say, "if you want SWA's wages and benefits you have to have the same outsourcing and work rules". NO they don't, and NO they won't.  Like I have said from the get go, this asso. has already stated that you should get D+3%, if they don't hold parker to the D+7 minimum, then this asso. has done nothing for the membership except simply agree to what the co said they would pay so they didn't nego anything, pathetic.
 

Burger Joint  "A" and  "B" are identical Burger Joint "A" pays their 5 employees $5 per hour Burger Joint "B" pays their 10 employees  $5 per hour which Burger joint has the competitive advantage? Tomorrow I will bring in flash cards and stickers
 
I won't bother you guys I give up my head is spinning good luck with negotiations

Now that would be a wise choice.  Glad to hear you are finally leaving. Leave it to the mechanics.

 

[1AA]

Old guy one more time. We ARE currently the lowest paid in the industry in Fleet compared to Delta, United and Southwest.
Don't know why I have to keep telling you that?

Be careful comparing to Delta. They outsourced all their fleet service years ago. As far as UAL and SWA best of luck. At the pace of negotiations oil may be up 30% by the time we get to compensation articles.

 

[Worldport]

but in negotiations there's a budget for twu the fleet and amt related and the twu decides how much to give to fleet stores and amts . Just like in the bk contract stores got a extra week of Vc . Amts lost a week .

I doubt AA would allow a union decide what to do with their money but if you say so. I'll tell you the truth with no B/S I'm a 38 year FSC at LUS so I've seen a number of give backs each time it was the COMPANY said we need X amount of money from fleet we and need X amount of money from MTC and related thats how it worked with us if what you are saying is true at AA i'll agree it's  F33ked up

 

[Worldport]

Be careful comparing to Delta. They outsourced all their fleet service years ago. As far as UAL and SWA best of luck. At the pace of negotiations oil may be up 30% by the time we get to compensation articles.

Nope

 

[Kev3188]

Be careful comparing to Delta. They outsourced all their fleet service years ago.

There's about 10-12,000 of us...

 

[700UW]

Be careful comparing to Delta. They outsourced all their fleet service years ago. As far as UAL and SWA best of luck. At the pace of negotiations oil may be up 30% by the time we get to compensation articles.

Oh look posting misinformation.