2015 AMT Discussion
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Because if I have been an AMT longer than you have I should win bid shifts and days off and job openings before you do. Simple and easy. Vacation bids have nothing to do with occupational seniority and shouldn't. You should not carry any seniority with you from another job title. Let me ask you why does everything to do with seniority have to favor LUS AMTs? AA always had a system in place that protected those with more occupational seniority for a reason. How about we vote on it? How do you think that would go? So apparently you want something the majority of AMTs would be against. This is one reason those of us from AA were against the association. We got that shoved down our throats without a vote too. This is a very big issue and should be decided by a vote of the AMTs in the IAM and TWU. This is not something to be bargained away without our input. Careers will be at stake since it is obvious AA will layoff hundreds of AMTs in the near future. IAM guys shouldn't get an advantage over TWU guys. Simple as that. Layoffs should be done according to occupational seniority.Rogallo said:
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it want get settled unless the aa amts agree theres more of us to vote against it. I'm not giving up any of my 31 years to any one . its a good thing aa has the majority because if your sons mother hates us mechanics like you do i can see that being bad
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And most likely the premium will be decided by an arbitrator. Maybe it will be determined by location ALA Kasher.700UW said:
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Agree 100% OldGuy. As a matter of fact, I can't believe we are even discussing this. No way in the world should a Clerk be able to jump over any AMT because he is ready for a career change, or vice versa...that's absurd. And to be honest, since Kevin is non union, from his comment it seems as though he is not well versed in what is at stake.OldGuy@AA said:
Kev, I find you to be one of the more level headed and intelligent posters here. But for you to suggest DOH instead of OCC is a little surprising. Like OldGuy said, you think it's OK for a bag loader of 30 years to displace a mechanic of 29 years and 364 days because he doesn't want to throw bags anymore. Sure, carry your company time for VC, but your OCC is the day you start the job in your field. Really, really simple.
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Uhhhhh, because vacation accrual is based on time with company, not time in individual classification.Rogallo said:
"Punish" is a two-way street. We are discussing the application of Seniority to a M&E CBA. The commitment to enter the Class & Craft the individual makes should prevail. Too many examples can be had of fleet service folks that only took interest to qualify for our Craft when incentivized, i.e. threats of upcoming job reductions in fleet service or promises of tuition reimbursement as we saw in early 90's. Should I be able to leapfrog a mechanic that began his participation in the Craft before me but I can now gain on him by adding two years of my previous fleet time to my total? No. This is the flawed distinction between Industrial vs. Craft Representation.Rogallo said:
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AANOTOK--
No worries! For the record I was only speaking of integration within any given classification (maintenance, fleet service, etc), and not the ability to jump from the ramp to AMT, or vice verse. I totally understand what's at stake. At the same time, I've already been through the merger wringer, and have the perspective of hindsight.
You guys can either spend the next 5 years sorting out "if this, then that" type of stuff, or get busy getting the JCBA you deserve.
No worries! For the record I was only speaking of integration within any given classification (maintenance, fleet service, etc), and not the ability to jump from the ramp to AMT, or vice verse. I totally understand what's at stake. At the same time, I've already been through the merger wringer, and have the perspective of hindsight.
You guys can either spend the next 5 years sorting out "if this, then that" type of stuff, or get busy getting the JCBA you deserve.
You both are correct. It should be "cat" seniority for bids and days off. DOH for co vac bidding and time off.AANOTOK said:
I knew this was going to be one of the biggest headaches of this integration between the twu and iam once they became the asso. forced upon you guys without a vote what so ever. I also feel they are going to have to go the AA route for the seniority integration for leads and inspectors and such. As they are the majority, therefore you guys will never get a lean towards the way the old US rules are, as it will never pass, unless there are a number, a large number, of leads and inspectors in the AA system where the seniority system that US is using will benefit them better, so be careful guys you never know. It still could very well go either way just depends on who the larger group is that it will benefit the most. And this is only one of the big items of big differences within the two contracts. How many more will there be? Only you guys know the answer to this question. Three will be big changes to one side or the other in a new contract it will be interesting to see how this asso. plays it all out. DO NOT expect a vote on anything except for the contract and even then don't forget the international can pull rank and power and force it upon you guys just like they have before, REMEMBER???
