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I believe it will be up to the arbitrators, not the posters.traderjake said:
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Looks like the APA is learning the hard way about Parker & Company's tactics with the extension debacle for the JCBA negotiations.
We told you so.
The APA legacy AA "sheeple" Board members gave in. Sad to see it start so quickly. Parker will have the entire pilot group on LOA 93 before they're done giving s*** up.
We told you so.
The APA legacy AA "sheeple" Board members gave in. Sad to see it start so quickly. Parker will have the entire pilot group on LOA 93 before they're done giving s*** up.
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luvthe9 said:
Why don't you post that question on the APA web board?
Don't forget to mention those "nice conditions and restrictions".
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nevergiveup said:
How many arbitrators have favored DOH in this century?
The LAA posters favor whatever benefits them personally, that's a shock.
nevergiveup
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Why are you so opposed to DOH?traderjake said:
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nevergiveup said:
It was a bad negotiating and arbitration strategy then and it is now.
It's the reason when got less than we should have in the last arbitration and why we spent 5 additional years on LOA 93.
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Guess we are headed to cost neutral arbitration. Management wants 5 more RJ seats and they don't even know why. They will risk ticking off the whole group during a year of mega profitability, blame it on the pilot group, and get an injuntion. Where have we seen this before?nycbusdriver said:
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PHL update is on target- a great read.
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Link?
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Dear Philadelphia Pilots,
This week, we attended a two-day training session for new representatives as well as a special board of directors meeting at APA headquarters in Fort Worth. Unfortunately, Paul Music was unable to attend either meeting because of a family emergency. He was, however, represented through proxy. While the training event was very important, we will focus this update on the special meeting.
You may recall from last week's update that the company had approached APA a few weeks ago requesting an extension to the mandated 30-day JCBA negotiation time period. Moreover, during last week's special meeting, the board voted to propose extending the period by 30 days in return for retro pay from October 15, 2014, and removing the TA'd sections from any future arbitration. These TA'd sections are valued at only $1.8 million.
The company responded by replacing the 30-day extension with 60 days, moving the October 15 retro date to December 1, and refusing to accept our proposal on the TA'd sections. Essentially, they said no to everything in our proposal.
Remember, after Delta management's announcement to voluntarily increase profit-sharing and salary for its employees, the flight attendants went back to Doug Parker and demanded an increase to their TA'd pay rates. And without blinking an eye, the company agreed to the increase at a cost of $13 million. Conversely, the employee group who gave Doug Parker this merger agrees to the company's request to modify the 30-day JCBA timeline, and the company refuses to agree to not reopen the TA'd sections if negotiations fail at a cost of only $1.8 million. Hmmmmm.
Furthermore, why are we even discussing an extension? It's simple: Negotiations have been occurring now for several months, yet the company has refused to make a single proposal on the higher-cost items such as pay, work rules and vacation. Sound familiar? It's incredible that the same people who had to have the 30-day JCBA timeline in the MOU then fail to negotiate during that very constrained timeline and then ask for an extension. When we agree, the company then says no to our reasonable “asks” in return for the extension.
With the above information as background, the board met again this week to discuss what, if any, action to take with respect to whether we should respond to the company or just plan on going to arbitration. After considerable debate, the board voted to approve a motion directing the APA Negotiating Committee to propose the following to American Airlines management regarding the JCBA negotiations timeline:
A 30-day extension to the JCBA negotiations ending on midnight 14 November 2014.
A retro date of 15 November 2014.
No agreement that would preclude APA from exercising their rights including putting this agreement up for membership ratification.
All previous JCBA TAs become final.
Philadelphia was one of three domiciles that voted against any extension. There are several reasons we voted this way, but the most important one is we believe that continuously kicking the can only delays getting us to a JCBA. Furthermore, we have been told by the Negotiating Committee that the arbitration will not occur before February; this gives us at least three and a half months to continue to negotiate anyway. In fact, we believe some end date (arbitration) will be necessary to ultimately get to an agreement.
Another reason we believe the company supports an extension is so they go around the APA board of directors and continue their campaign to convince pilots that giving up Scope is no big deal. The “Crew news” assault began in Dallas a few weeks ago and continued in Miami this week, and we suspect it will continue until the very end. They want to entice you with money in return for Scope. How many times did we hear Doug Parker tell us he can't pay us what everybody else makes because of the revenue disadvantage? Now that there is no longer any revenue disadvantage, the story has changed; he now says he can pay us more but in return we must concede on Scope. It never ends.
Where next? As you may know, on Thursday, APA and the company agreed to a 30-day extension, a December 1 retro date and no TA'd section exclusion from any future arbitration. We now expect the company to stop dragging their feet and immediately make an industry-leading pay and work rule proposal. If history is any indication, however, they will wait until the end of the 30 days to make the proposal and tell us we must decide now or else the offer is off the table and we will let the arbitrator decide. We shall see.
If you wish to contact either Paul DiOrio or Paul Music to discuss this or any other issue, you can use the information below, or you can contact us both at PHL-reps@alliedpilots.org.
In solidarity,
Paul DiOrio
Chairman
Paul Music
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This is an issue that we can all unite behind. East, West and AA. Scope relief will be the camel's nose under the tent. For those of you with a long career ahead, this is especially critical. Just say no.
I'm waiting to see something from the Ayatollah Munn on this. Please give his FUD the same careful consideration the Pittsburgh cable TV audience gave his hair plug replacement infomercial.
I'm waiting to see something from the Ayatollah Munn on this. Please give his FUD the same careful consideration the Pittsburgh cable TV audience gave his hair plug replacement infomercial.
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