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October 3, 2014

West Merger Committee Update

As we are certain you already know, on September 4, 2014, American Airlines, APA, and USAPA executed a Protocol Agreement which governs the process for seniority integration.

Paragraph 8 of the Protocol Agreement established a process through which former America West pilots may become recognized as a full and equal party to the seniority integration process. Under the Protocol Agreement, former America West pilots had until 14 days from the NMBs certification of APA as the exclusive bargaining agent to request to participate in the Preliminary Arbitration. The America West Merger Committee (AWMC) requested party status from APA. We have been advised that no other group of former America West pilots claiming to represent the West Pilots has made a similar request, and the matter has been referred to a Preliminary Arbitration Board (PAB). The issue for the PAB is a simple one does APA have the discretion to appoint a West Pilots Merger Committee? If the PAB decides that APA does have that discretion, we expect that APA will appoint a West Pilots Committee that will have full party status in the Seniority List Integration process.

As we reported to you last week, representatives from American Airlines, APA, and USAPA participated in a process through which the following PAB members were selected:

Stephen Crable:
http://www.alliedpilots.org/Public/NewsDigest/092614/Crable%20Resume.pdf

Shyam Das:
http://www.alliedpilots.org/Public/NewsDigest/092614/Das%20resume.pdf

Joshua Javits:
http://www.alliedpilots.org/Public/NewsDigest/092614/Javits%20resume.pdf

Paragraph 8.b. of the Protocol Agreement provides, in part:

The hearing shall consist of no more than five hearing days, and shall be concluded within 30 days of the Preliminary Arbitration Board's receipt of the requests, subject to the arbitrators' schedules.

On Monday of this week, the PAB members confirmed their availability for the following hearing dates:

December 15
December 17
January 5
January 22
January 23

The PAB members indicated that if December 16 or a day contiguous to either of the two December dates or the two January dates becomes available, the January 5th hearing date will be cancelled. In either case, the latest time the hearing will conclude will be January 23 (or 24 if that day becomes available), 2015. The hearings will be held in Washington, DC and will be open to AA pilots. We will provide the hearing location and attendance details in a future update.

Paragraph 8.b. of the Protocol Agreement also provides:

The Preliminary Arbitration Board shall issue an order granting or denying any such requests that AP A designate the requested Committee. The order shall be issued within 30 days following the first day of the hearing, subject to the arbitrators' schedules.

Depending upon how quickly the hearing is concluded, we expect the matter to be decided as early as February. Unlike many arbitration hearings, there will be closing argument at the close of the hearing in lieu of the filing of post-hearing briefs. This should help to expedite the decision-making process.

Unfortunately, the West pilots have been left to fend for ourselves financially, at least until we are granted recognition as a full party. Therefore, your financial support has never been more critical. We will be funded by Leonidas LLC, and contributions may be made at the following link:

http://www.cactuspilotcontributors.com/contribute.html

Of course, these Preliminary Arbitration dates raise some questions about the timeline for the remaining seniority integration process. We will attempt to answer some of those questions in an update in the near future. For now, be assured that we are on track to ensure the ability to represent ourselves, free from USAPAs malice.

We will always strive to provide you information as timely as possible, but we also ask for your patience in that we do not have the benefit of flight pay loss, dues funding, or administrative support for our work. Subject to that limitation, it is our intent to provide you the most timely, factual information possible.

We look forward to communicating regularly with you in the coming weeks, and we thank you for your continuing and overwhelming support.

Sincerely,

The America West Merger Committee

David Braid Mark Burman Johan de Vicq

Eric Ferguson Jeff O'Connell Russ Payne

Jim Van Sickle Mitch Vasin Roger Velez

www.cactuspilot.com
 
im back..!! said:
Success..!! Thank you Snapthis and Phoenix.....
 Snapthis and Phoenix...  Ha, ha!  Mutual effort pulling in the same direction, now.  Ya, see.. Snapthis finally got on board and is no longer a contrarian.  Blue skies ahead for all.  :D
 
snapthis said:
October 3, 2014

West Merger Committee Update

As we are certain you already know, on September 4, 2014, American Airlines, APA, and USAPA executed a Protocol Agreement which governs the process for seniority integration.

Paragraph 8 of the Protocol Agreement established a process through which former America West pilots may become recognized as a full and equal party to the seniority integration process. Under the Protocol Agreement, former America West pilots had until 14 days from the NMBs certification of APA as the exclusive bargaining agent to request to participate in the Preliminary Arbitration. The America West Merger Committee (AWMC) requested party status from APA. We have been advised that no other group of former America West pilots claiming to represent the West Pilots has made a similar request, and the matter has been referred to a Preliminary Arbitration Board (PAB). The issue for the PAB is a simple one does APA have the discretion to appoint a West Pilots Merger Committee? If the PAB decides that APA does have that discretion, we expect that APA will appoint a West Pilots Committee that will have full party status in the Seniority List Integration process.

As we reported to you last week, representatives from American Airlines, APA, and USAPA participated in a process through which the following PAB members were selected:

Stephen Crable:
http://www.alliedpilots.org/Public/NewsDigest/092614/Crable%20Resume.pdf

Shyam Das:
http://www.alliedpilots.org/Public/NewsDigest/092614/Das%20resume.pdf

Joshua Javits:
http://www.alliedpilots.org/Public/NewsDigest/092614/Javits%20resume.pdf

Paragraph 8.b. of the Protocol Agreement provides, in part:

The hearing shall consist of no more than five hearing days, and shall be concluded within 30 days of the Preliminary Arbitration Board's receipt of the requests, subject to the arbitrators' schedules.

On Monday of this week, the PAB members confirmed their availability for the following hearing dates:

December 15
December 17
January 5
January 22
January 23

The PAB members indicated that if December 16 or a day contiguous to either of the two December dates or the two January dates becomes available, the January 5th hearing date will be cancelled. In either case, the latest time the hearing will conclude will be January 23 (or 24 if that day becomes available), 2015. The hearings will be held in Washington, DC and will be open to AA pilots. We will provide the hearing location and attendance details in a future update.

Paragraph 8.b. of the Protocol Agreement also provides:

The Preliminary Arbitration Board shall issue an order granting or denying any such requests that AP A designate the requested Committee. The order shall be issued within 30 days following the first day of the hearing, subject to the arbitrators' schedules.

Depending upon how quickly the hearing is concluded, we expect the matter to be decided as early as February. Unlike many arbitration hearings, there will be closing argument at the close of the hearing in lieu of the filing of post-hearing briefs. This should help to expedite the decision-making process.

Unfortunately, the West pilots have been left to fend for ourselves financially, at least until we are granted recognition as a full party. Therefore, your financial support has never been more critical. We will be funded by Leonidas LLC, and contributions may be made at the following link:

http://www.cactuspilotcontributors.com/contribute.html

Of course, these Preliminary Arbitration dates raise some questions about the timeline for the remaining seniority integration process. We will attempt to answer some of those questions in an update in the near future. For now, be assured that we are on track to ensure the ability to represent ourselves, free from USAPAs malice.

We will always strive to provide you information as timely as possible, but we also ask for your patience in that we do not have the benefit of flight pay loss, dues funding, or administrative support for our work. Subject to that limitation, it is our intent to provide you the most timely, factual information possible.

We look forward to communicating regularly with you in the coming weeks, and we thank you for your continuing and overwhelming support.

Sincerely,

The America West Merger Committee

David Braid Mark Burman Johan de Vicq

Eric Ferguson Jeff O'Connell Russ Payne

Jim Van Sickle Mitch Vasin Roger Velez

www.cactuspilot.com
 
 
Really?  More begging for money?!  For a couple of short trips and a few hotel rooms?  By now after all those $675 ties and automatic monthly donations they should be flying first class and staying at the Ritz.  
 
YGTBSM.   :rolleyes:
 
Phoenix said:
 Snapthis and Phoenix...  Ha, ha!  Mutual effort pulling in the same direction, now.  Ya, see.. Snapthis finally got on board and is no longer a contrarian.  Blue skies ahead for all.   :D
Who would have imagined? John Lennon would be proud ;)
Phoenix said:
 
 
Really?  More begging for money?!  For a couple of short trips and a few hotel rooms?  By now after all those $675 ties and automatic monthly donations they should be flying first class and staying at the Ritz.  
 
YGTBSM.   :rolleyes:
 
I still think you should start making some of that Kudzu Poke Salad along with some collard greens for those NC fundraisers coming soon. :D
 
 
snapthis said:
Who would have imagined? John Lennon would be proud ;)
 
I still think you should start making some of that Kudzu Poke Salad along with some collard greens for those NC fundraisers coming soon. :D
 
I believe there is about $13,000,000 available for legal use as we speak. Try some Hank Jr.!
 
traderjake said:
I believe you're wrong.
 
Let's see which of the four officers is willing to risk a personal lawsuit to find out.
Those 4 idiots will be sued into personal Bankruptcy. There's about 1000 pilots willing to pay to see them die penniless.
 
traderjake said:
I believe you're wrong.
 
Let's see which of the four officers is willing to risk a personal lawsuit to find out.
 
 
Res Judicata said:
Those 4 idiots will be sued into personal Bankruptcy. There's about 1000 pilots willing to pay to see them die penniless.
But who has the $$$ right now? I bet they get to keep it until after the seniority list is complete. 18 months perhaps.
 
Res Judicata said:
Those 4 idiots will be sued into personal Bankruptcy. There's about 1000 pilots willing to pay to see them die penniless.
Already in the works. It's going to be fun to watch.
 
CactusPilot1 said:
Already in the works. It's going to be fun to watch.
They will spend it before the lawsuit is done. Then what do you get? 00000000.00
Lawsuits are for the rich and famous! Only the Lawyers win, but no-one ever learns this. The end.
 
Res Judicata said:
Those 4 idiots will be sued into personal Bankruptcy. There's about 1000 pilots willing to pay to see them die penniless.
 
At least you aren't being too emotional.  Go with your instincts.  
 
 
CactusPilot1 said:
Already in the works. It's going to be fun to watch.
 
 
Any filed lawsuits will be dismissed due to the pending declaratory judgement that USAPA filed.  
 
Don't waste your money (or waste it, I don't care :D).. Besides, you guys need to send in money to AOL so that during the Preliminary Arbitration hearings your "reps" don't have to slum it at the Motel 6. 
 
nevergiveup said:
They will spend it before the lawsuit is done. Then what do you get? 00000000.00
Lawsuits are for the rich and famous! Only the Lawyers win, but no-one ever learns this. The end.
Cactus is correct and that's what some personal bank accounts are going to have when they go to withdraw.:lol:
 
Res Judicata said:
Those 4 idiots will be sued into personal Bankruptcy. There's about 1000 pilots willing to pay to see them die penniless.
Has the west ever filed a law suit vs USAPA and won?  Refresh my memory. 
 
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