2014 Pilot Discussion

[Pi brat]

Wrong. The Nic has never gone anywhere. I believe that usapa legal counsel and leadership was emphatic in their opinion that the MOU was seniority neutral. Are you saying that your lawyer, the legal team, and all of USAPA leadership LIED to the membership?

Of course those no-ethics scum bags did. But it didn't work. The Nic alive and well.

Of course it is. It's still out there, and there is a chance that it will be used in the AA/US SLI. Give me your odds of it being used.
 
Even if it isn't, the west won one battle. A DOH east/west list will not be used in the AA SLI. So, there ya go. Hope the significant other can be happy with that going forward if the Nic isn't used.

 

[Claxon]

(snapthis self appointed) The West Merger Committee (no such animal) will consist of the following nine west pilots:
 
Russ Payne                 12/01/1997
Eric Ferguson             11/17/2003
Johan de Vicq             08/21/2000
David Braid                11/16/1998
Jeff O'Connell             10/05/1987
Mitch Vasin                 03/29/2004
Jim Van Sickle            01/27/2003                     
Mark Burman              09/21/1998
Roger Velez                 04/22/1996
 

 

[flyer63]

Pretty funny hearing how the west thinks apa is there friends... why would apa want junior awa guys to slide in front of their former junior furloughed guys..

 

[Crzipilot]

Wrong. The Nic has never gone anywhere. I believe that usapa legal counsel and leadership was emphatic in their opinion that the MOU was seniority neutral. Are you saying that your lawyer, the legal team, and all of USAPA leadership LIED to the membership?

Of course those no-ethics scum bags did. But it didn't work. The Nic alive and well.

 
 
No sorry,    as a simple layman not trying to read into things I want things to say,   I simply read the MOU and noticed the words,  ALL PREVIOUS AGREEMENTS NULLIFIED.       That to me as a simple line pilot means that anything existing prior to this Dec 9 date is DEAD.    
 
Now Your boys on the west might have whispered into your ear late at night that it's not really meaning what it says,  but it does say what it says.
Now we have a second agreement saying that the only things in effect no matter who comes into play, is what is in effect on Dec 9th.    Those things would be AA   USE  and USW   seniority lists.    
 
I guess it becomes like a Seinfeld episode for ya.....NO Soup for YOU.......

 

[Claxon]

Former mesa and american eagle pilots;
MCILVENNA, JOHN               7/28/1998
VASIN, MITCHELL                 3/29/2004

 
at first glance johnny mac and mitchell were alpa lovers. Ever wonder why?

 

[Claxon]

F/O Neil Roghair (Drew Carey's younger brother) {sarcasm} was hired in 1999 west pilots, capice?
 
As a west pilot do you think you will be senior or junior to Neil?  (rhetorical question)
http://public.alliedpilots.org/apa/Videos/VideoPlayer/TabId/865/VideoId/193/Bloomberg-TV-APA-Vice-President-FO-Neil-Roghair-On-American-And-US-Airways-Merger.aspx

 

[Claxon]

PEEPER MARC E 2/23/2004

ANGER ANTHONY B 7/5/1989 (Ansett years)
 
video produced by america west pilots.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIfKKw-kvPo&list=PLB732AA4BB89DCF5C

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

The most hilarious part of this whole thing is the "WEST" holding up the NIC and say , "SEE THIS IT, IS FAIR , THIS IS WHAT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED"! LMFAO, do you not think every arb in the land knows about that list, and it was constructed how? Under a 3 time changed ALPA  merger policy, and is there evidence today it was wrong? And let us count, 9th CIRCUIT who I believe said they do not know what a combined list will look like, 2 failed DFR's and a MOU that deletes any previous(THE NIC) letters of agreement, and now a protocol agreement that sets the rules in DEC 2013, ! MM BUY A COUPLE DUNCE I MEAN LIBERTY TIES!

 

[flyer63]

(snapthis self appointed) The West Merger Committee (no such animal) will consist of the following nine west pilots:
 
Russ Payne                 12/01/1997
Eric Ferguson             11/17/2003Vasin
Johan de Vicq             08/21/2000
David Braid                11/16/1998
Jeff O'Connell             10/05/1987
Mitch Vasin                 03/29/2004
Jim Van Sickle            01/27/2003                     
Mark Burman              09/21/1998
Roger Velez                 04/22/1996

The ones i have the biggest issue on the list are
Ferguson
Vicq
Vasin
Sickle
I mean really?

 

[CactusPilot1]

The ones i have the biggest issue on the list are
Ferguson
Vicq
Vasin
Sickle
I mean really?

Really?

What are you laughing at? You all are the biggest dumb-a$$es in this industry. I'm ready for this embarrassment to end. A bunch of dysfunctional malcontents who never belonged on this property in the first place. Idiots..shove your union and get lost.

 

[Phoenix]

Wrong. The Nic has never gone anywhere. I believe that usapa legal counsel and leadership was emphatic in their opinion that the MOU was seniority neutral. Are you saying that your lawyer, the legal team, and all of USAPA leadership LIED to the membership?
Of course those no-ethics scum bags did. But it didn't work. The Nic alive and well.

The 2005 TA was seniority prescriptive (ie. not seniority neutral).... If you still don't understand why that matters, you still don't know how your implicit assumptions got you played. The Nic is an ugly girl without a ticket, much less a date, to the prom. There is only prom, unless you think another merger is imminent.

 

[Phoenix]

Really?
What are you laughing at? You all are the biggest dumb-a$$es in this industry. I'm ready for this embarrassment to end. A bunch of dysfunctional malcontents who never belonged on this property in the first place. Idiots..shove your union and get lost.

Really?

I hope you are on the West Merger committee. Is there any chance you are the chairman? Pretty please, with a Liberty Tie on top.

 

[luvthe9]

Really?
What are you laughing at? You all are the biggest dumb-a$$es in this industry. I'm ready for this embarrassment to end..

Hey, he's not the one that gave up wide body flying and massive growth with upgrade along with being locked in PHX, that's a real dumb ars that would believe Ferguson and Koontz.

 

[CAVOK]

PEEPER MARC E 2/23/2004
ANGER ANTHONY B 7/5/1989 (Ansett years)
 
video produced by america west pilots.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIfKKw-kvPo&list=PLB732AA4BB89DCF5C

Well, that slick bit of hype and indoctrination was certainly money well spent with less than 2400 views on YouTube. How many pilots are on the west side anyhow?
 
Slick, but what do these guys think that the disparaging, derogatory insults and propaganda accomplish? It certainly does not further meaningful dialogue in any form. I suppose it is just to rally the west pilots to open their wallets for $700 ties and expensive badge backers. 

 

[EastUS1]

 I'm ready for this embarrassment to end.

 
Don't do it son! It's just not worth it, no matter how grim things seem to you now. Life can go on for "you'se" even without the nic. http://www.suicidepreventionlifeline.org/