2014 Pilot Discussion

[traderjake]

 
Read Bloch's award to the US/AW dispatchers you idiot.

 
What's your point dimwit?
 
Both airlnes needed the merger, USAirways first, America West later.
 
Which airline was in Chapter 11 at the time of the merger?
 
I'm going to let you in on a little secret, we're not dispatchers and as pilots we had a mutually agreed upon merger policy.

 

[traderjake]

Nothing like changing the subject to distract.  Like there aren't bedbugs (or worse) in whatever hole you call home.

 
There's no bedbugs on my subway.
 
Enjoy.

 

[traderjake]

His opinion on the condition of the airlines and the value they brought to the merger is very relevant.

It's interesting that with all the times it's been offered that you haven't read it. I guess it doesn't line up with your "We're not worthy! " mantra, so you ignore it.

 
Maybe the East MC should have said something like "We want credit for our attrition and LOS" instead of "We're comfortable with our position" when Nicolau said we need to "Seriously reconsider our position".
 
Nicolau was saying you're not getting DOH, give me something I can work with.
 
We said screw you, do it yourself. 
 
Are you seriously complaining about not getting something we never asked for even after being prompted by the arbiter to do so?

 

[Phoenix]

Somebody poked the  bear.  
 

 

[cltrat]

Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends
   -Emerson,Lake & Palmer

 

[nycbusdriver]

 
What's your point dimwit?
 
Both airlnes needed the merger, USAirways first, America West later.
 
Which airline was in Chapter 11 at the time of the merger?
 
I'm going to let you in on a little secret, we're not dispatchers and as pilots we had a mutually agreed upon merger policy.

 
Well, moron, my point is that Bloch's position was totally in opposition to the rationale Nicolau used to punish the USAirways pilots which was that USAirways had nothing to contribute to the merger.  US did, and history has proven Bloch's position in spades.

 

[traderjake]

 
Well, moron, my point is that Bloch's position was totally in opposition to the rationale Nicolau used to punish the USAirways pilots which was that USAirways had nothing to contribute to the merger.  US did, and history has proven Bloch's position in spades.

 
Nicolau crafted the award to punish USAirways pilot? 
 
 You're getting paranoid in your old age.
 
Nicolau said give me something other than DOH to work with.
 
We said no, do it yourself.
 
Who's the moron?

 

[Claxon]

Maybe the East MC should have said something like "We want credit for our attrition and LOS" instead of "We're comfortable with our position" when Nicolau said we need to "Seriously reconsider our position".
 
Nicolau was saying you're not getting DOH, give me something I can work with.
 
We said screw you, do it yourself. 
 
Are you seriously complaining about not getting something we never asked for even after being prompted by the arbiter to do so?

You forgot to include the ending to the story. The Happy Ending so to speak...

And then Nicolau put a new hire west pilot with a pilot east never furloughed. And then the east pilots began organizing. And the west said" you won't get 200 cards..."
And then Prater ignored the east pilots, the west pilots ignored Jeff Freund at Wye. And then ALPA got launched. No Nicolau list. End of story.

 

[traderjake]

 No Nicolau list. End of story.

 
There is an arbitrated East West list. 
 
It's up to the MB arbitration panel if the choose to use it as part of their ruling.
 
You got your do over and 7 plus year fence so you should be happy.

 

[Phoenix]

There is an arbitrated East West list. 
 
It's up to the MB arbitration panel if the choose to use it as part of their ruling.
 
You got your do over and 7 plus year fence so you should be happy.

If and when there is an arbitration panel, the arbitrators will be constrained by the terms of the mutually agreed arbitration agreement, or by the court order compelling arbitration.... Just like Silver was constrained by the terms.

No one yet knows what those terms will be, except for Spinthis.

 

[Claxon]

There is an arbitrated East West list. 
 
It's up to the MB arbitration panel if the choose to use it as part of their ruling.
 
You got your do over and 7 plus year fence so you should be happy.

There is an arbitrated east west ALPA list. It has no bearing on the present situation.
And the APA will never submit to arbitration.

 

[Claxon]

Conventional Wisdom
Issued this 22nd day of July 2013:
 
 
 
10.i comes after 10.h
 
"The Memorandum of Understanding among American Airlines, US Airways,
APA, and USAPA, provides at Paragraph 10.i. that: “Nothing in this Paragraph 10 shall modify the decision of the arbitration panel in Letter of Agreement 12-05 of the 2012 CBA.” Accordingly, any subsequent agreement or arbitration with respect to integration of seniority or a collective bargaining agreement covering all pilots at any merged operation will not serve to modify the alternative guarantees and preferences awarded in this matter by the Panel."
 
"The request that the Panel direct that the TWA Pilots Committee and the AA Pilots Committee each be granted party status in any subsequent seniority integration process that may take place following the anticipated merger of AA and US Airways is rejected. Such request is arguably beyond the jurisdiction of the Panel and, in any event, no persuasive reasons have been shown in support of such a directive."
 
Issued this 22nd day of July 2013:
 
 
RICHARD I. BLOCH
STEPHEN B. GOLDBERG, Esq.
IRA F. JAFFE, Esq.
 
http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/files/2013/07/Arbitration-decision-Supplement-CC-July-2013.pdf

 

[spike99]

Very educated retort, obviously you have no clue about the relevance.  Just keep going with how you predicted the Nic.

 

[westcoastflyer]

There is an APA Negotiating Committee Update, dated August 30th, on the APA website under the "Latest Updates" tab. It tells which sections of the Contract were discussed with the Company this week, and what progress was made.  Wouldn't it be nice if USAPA  posted similar factual updates in a timely manner?  I guess everything is always a secret at USAPA, and we, the members, don't have the need to know.

 

[Claxon]

Very educated retort, obviously you have no clue about the relevance.  Just keep going with how you predicted the Nic.

To whom are you referring to?