2014 Pilot Discussion

[Phoenix]

Keep repeating that mantra if it makes you feel better.
 
MB was not designed to allow one party infinte delay.

 
 
Never mind that the NMB issued a list of arbitrators pursuant to the MB Statute, and never mind that USAPA has an active lawsuit to compel MB arbitration pursuant to the statute... If the participants don't willingly submit to arbitration, what do you suggest is a faster way to MB arbitration (since you are so uncomfortable with delay 🙂 )?
 
The courts have it.  They are really fast <sarcasm>... but open to being faster if you have a suggestion... 😀

 

[traderjake]

Uhhh....USAPA has requested the MB arbitration commence and it is APA/AAG that are refusing. It is now in the hands of the courts.

 
USAPA is trying to force the start of arbitration before USAPA is decertified.

 

[Phoenix]

USAPA is trying to force the start of arbitration before USAPA is decertified.

No. They are simply asking the court to compel the pilots of a covered transaction to participate in arbitration pursuant to MB. But at any rate you admit USAPA is not responsible for any delay.

If AA pilots ever wish to compel the pilots of USAir to participate in SLI arbitration they may go to the courts and ask for that too.

Regardless, it's obvious the courts will have to compel participation.

 

[snapthis]

USAPA is trying to force the start of arbitration before USAPA is decertified.

Uhhhh

Don't confuse drive-by with the facts.View attachment 10240

 

[GorgeousGeorge]

USAPA is trying to force the start of arbitration before USAPA is decertified.

They are requiring the parties involved in the merger to comply with the MOU and the federal statute. And it will be complied with regardless of SCS and the path to get there will now be handled by a court of competent jurisdiction.

The only realy question is how long will it take before that arbitration takes place. And SCS isn't going to make it happen any faster or slower at this point. An agreement by the parties might expidite it but that seems unlikely. Given that it has to proceed through the courts, probably not any time soon.

 

[snapthis]

No. They are simply asking the court to compel the pilots of a covered transaction to participate in arbitration pursuant to MB. But at any rate you admit USAPA is not responsible for any delay.
If AA pilots ever wish to compel the pilots of USAir to participate in SLI arbitration they may go to the courts and ask for that too.
Regardless, it's obvious the courts will have to compel participation.

I see why drive-by is out to lunch.

USAPA and delay are synonymous.

You ain't fooling anybody.
 
BTW...Us air does not exist.

 

[RSVP767]

Keep repeating that mantra if it makes you feel better.
 
MB was not designed to allow one party infinte delay.

 
Nor was it designed to allow one party infinite control.

 

[Zone5]

Keep repeating that mantra if it makes you feel better.
 
MB was not designed to allow one party infinte delay.

Correct, MB was designed to prohibit one party from calling all the shots and I have no doubt that the courts will ensure that the APA will not get to hijack this merger as they have in the past. I mean really, American is why the legislation exists, does anybody think that a Federal Judge ANYWHERE wouldn't pick up on that fact?

Relax, we all got a nice pay raise and a much improved MOU interim working agreement. I do kind of feel sorry for the rank and file West pilots who were led down the prim rose path by those Leonidas yahoo's! Got to be getting awfully hot and dusty out on the range.


seajay

 

[luvthe9]

Great letter found on the internet............






By now we have seen what APA wants to do with us and what Leonidas think they can do to us. First lets talk about APA.

APA has only one goal, that is to do to us what they did to TWA. The only difference is we are not an Airline that was going out of business. We are not in a desperate situation as TWA was. APA should keep that in mind. They should also keep in mind that we had to fight for our very livelihood. Seniority is the life blood of any pilot. Contrary to what the AWA pilots think and is now being proven by all the opportunity for and EAST pilots, they along with a pissed off senile arbitrator tried to take the only thing USAirways Legacy Pilots had left. We fought and we won. Does APA think we will not fight now? Are they that stupid? Let me tell every EAST Pilot who reads this, APA thinks they have a nuke in this process and they will try to use it. "NICOLAU" This will be a very dangerous game for them because what is good for the goose is good for the gander. Over reaching will hurt in any arbitration. Why do you think they want to have control over going to arbitration or not. Believe me they will not go to arbitration if they have the choice. This means in the end they are deathly afraid of arbitration. I AM NOT! We also have something else that is already helping the EAST pilots recover from the last 9 years. Time. Yes Time is our friend right now. The longer we keep this process going the more upgrades and advancement we will gain. The more proof we will have that the NIC was not well thought out and how the NIC looks more like retribution than a well thought out award from a competent arbitrator. I will close this part with this. Our enemy is; APA, Leonitas, and USAirways and The New American Management. All of which have teamed together to do one thing. HURT THE EAST PILOTS!

LEONITAS,
What can I say about these bunch of WD's. One thing is they cant read. I welcome, hell, I will non-rev to Phoenix and drive them to the court house to file a petition with Judge Silver to hold USAPA in contempt when we continue to represent the USAirway's Pilots after single carrier status. Let me try to educate Leonitas. Everything that a Judge says before He or She says; "It is so ordered" means nothing. NOTHING! It is only there to try and make you feel better when the Law is not on your side. You guys had your chance to come to the table you didn't take it. Now you start crying and put together a 40+ page Pouting Point, Oops, I meant Power Point with one sided and inaccurate information in hopes that management will just start carving up the EAST in violation of all of our contracts? I know you are not that stupid. This is what you all are facing. USAPA will not stop fighting anyone who tries to take our seniority. The very fact that, from UAL changing ALPA merger policy to Delta threatening job action to our current situation with APA, Airlines recognize USAirway's Pilots are the most senor and that is why they didn't want to merger with us. Keep that in mind while you sit in the sand dunes looking east for the next 2 years.


PS Going to be a lot longer than 2 years!!!

 

[snapthis]

So Courtney was taking a stroll down the internet one day and found the note above.

"APA has only one goal, that is to do to us what they did to TWA. The only difference is we are not an Airline that was going out of business."

You weren't the airline going out of business? You mean like the one out of altitude, airspeed, ideas and money in 2005? The arbitrator had some kind of bias in his seniority determination?

"Our enemy is; APA, Leonitas, and USAirways and The New American Management. All of which have teamed together to do one thing. HURT THE EAST PILOTS!"

Playing the victim card is really getting old.

 

[Claxon]

Nor was it designed to allow one party infinite control.

American pilots desperately trying to control the situation. Arbitration looming. Losing control of hundreds of wide body seats will be Wilson's legacy.
Like Ferguson, Wilson will be scorned for his audacious loss.

 

[traderjake]

 

Great letter found on the internet............

 
 
"Contrary to what the AWA pilots think and is now being proven by all the opportunity for and EAST pilots, they along with a pissed off senile arbitrator tried to take the only thing USAirways Legacy Pilots had left.."
 
The old "pissed off senile arbitator" defense.     
 
"Believe me they will not go to arbitration if they have the choice. This means in the end they are deathly afraid of arbitration."
 
USAPA has APA cowering in fear.  
 
PS   Notice you don't have to copy the whole post to comment on it. 😀

 

[767one]

 
"The question is will USAPA seize this opportunity?"  Ahhh, let me think a minute.....NO!
 
The APA's proposed SPA is DOA.  And contrary to the Chip Munn's blathering, APA's proposal actually seeks to put USAPA in a box.....a box which would have USAPA surrendering it's lawful rights.  Sorry Chip, ain't gonna happen. 

 
 
 
If he who shall not be named had been at the battle of Little Bighorn he and those like him would have been the first soldiers to be scalped because as soon as he heard the first war cry he would have suggested that the cavalry put down their weapons and surrender because the Indians were offering a good deal. Some things never change! 
 
Bob

 

[Phoenix]

American pilots desperately trying to control the situation. Arbitration looming. Losing control of hundreds of wide body seats will be Wilson's legacy.
Like Ferguson, Wilson will be scorned for his audacious loss.

But will Ferguson be willing to share his only consolation with Wilson... Namely the laud and honor of one internet poster by the moniker of Trader? 😀

 

[traderjake]

ssshhh.....
 
I like to keep a low profile.