2014 Pilot Discussion

[mrbreeze]

Jump seat etiquette. 
 
Hand your id and jump seat pass to the flight attendant.
 
Flight attendant hands jump seat pass to flight crew with your black and white id picture that includes hair and cross eyes you no longer currently possess.
 
In the cockpit you should immediately control your instincts of laughter or vindictiveness and realize this pilot is just trying to get from point a to b.  If a good seat was offered in the rear of the aircraft by the gate agent, this pilot would not be trying to kiss your ass for a free ride.  

Clax,
 
i have always followed that protocol, however, the AW flight attendants are not trained to take the Jump seater's ID to the cockpit for introduction......never happens.
breeze

 

[nycbusdriver]

Jump seat etiquette. 
 
Hand your id and jump seat pass to the flight attendant.
 
Flight attendant hands jump seat pass to flight crew with your black and white id picture that includes hair and cross eyes you no longer currently possess.
 
In the cockpit you should immediately control your instincts of laughter or vindictiveness and realize this pilot is just trying to get from point a to b.  If a good seat was offered in the rear of the aircraft by the gate agent, this pilot would not be trying to kiss your ass for a free ride.  

 
Except for your last statement, you are ABSOLUTELY wrong as far as company policy goes.  The flight attendants are now specifically told NOT to "guard" the cockpit from jumpseat riders in that way.  We, as a group, b**ched about that policy of flight attendants letting everybody (fuelers, agents, mechanics, etc.) BUT a jumpseat rider free access to the cockpit.
 
The policy changed quite a while ago, and most (even East) flight attendants refuse to accept pilot credentials even when offered.  That is EXACTLY the way it should work.

 

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Clax,
 
i have always followed that protocol, however, the AW flight attendants are not trained to take the Jump seater's ID to the cockpit for introduction......never happens.
breeze

As of late the F/A's have been sending jumpseaters directly to the cockpit and we have to verify their ids.  In fact, the day will be upon us that even if you know the guy, if you DON'T look at their current id, alternate id and j/s form you could get a violation.
 
Just sayin.

 

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Except for your last statement, you are ABSOLUTELY wrong as far as company policy goes.  The flight attendants are now specifically told NOT to "guard" the cockpit from jumpseat riders in that way.  We, as a group, b**ched about that policy of flight attendants letting everybody (fuelers, agents, mechanics, etc.) BUT a jumpseat rider free access to the cockpit.
 
The policy changed quite a while ago, and most (even East) flight attendants refuse to accept pilot credentials even when offered.  That is EXACTLY the way it should work.

Just saw you're post.  Agreed.

 

[fifidriver]

I am sure the truth about your whole debacle is somewhere in the middle but I am more likely to believe the guy who doesn't support subverting a process and binding arbitration.  I will also let it be known, Jerry, that you can't be trusted in the cockpit because you recorded activity in the cockpit.  You may have trouble getting flights once that is known.

Reply deleted. Redundant.

 

[EastUS1]

I'm not sure who you ran into, but I sit next to guys on a regular basis, who were just about to upgrade, or held off bidding a CA seat for QOL, and now find themselves a 15 yr FO, an inconceivable career expectation prior to merge, and they consider this to be "your" fault, as do I.
 
However, I completely agree that the flt deck is absolutely the wrong venue to vent those frustrations.
 
That being said, I recommend extreme caution with regard to any escalation of this matter. There is already a certain portly, East pariah in SFO, who officially reported oxy mask non-usage by his West brothers.
 
I believe that the threat of video and subsequent exposure is of absolutely no long term benefit to anyone, and the risk of a "boomerang" effect is probably fairly elevated.
 

 
1) That first is about as pathetic attempt to justify childish behavior as is even possible to attempt, regardless of whatever "inconceivable career expectation" anyone ever held dear.  Should those requesting jump seat travel provide a nice box of tissues and some cookies and a glass of milk in order to hopefully prevent being denied a ride?
 
2) Fully agreed.
 
3) "Tattling" on any people (O2 mask/whatever) providing one a ride is imo disrespectful to our class and craft as a whole.
 
4) Any "spartan boomerang" effect concerns me not at all, but I agree this shouldn't be elevated, both for 3) above and concerns for the jump seat potentially being someday denied to everyone via company edict.
 
fifi: "Absolutely unacceptable!!! However, on the other hand, absolutely understandable."  That's purely cross-threaded, childish BS! You can't have that both ways, so make up your mind. Which is it to be?

 

[Claxon]

I am sure the truth about your whole debacle is somewhere in the middle but I am more likely to believe the guy who doesn't support subverting a process and binding arbitration.  I will also let it be known, Jerry, that you can't be trusted in the cockpit because you recorded activity in the cockpit.  You may have trouble getting flights once that is known.

Both sides better drop it fast. Or a lot of commuters east and west are going to be taking Amtrak.

 

[Ames]

Both sides better drop it fast. Or a lot of commuters east and west are going to be taking Amtrak.

Both sides didn't admit recording activity in the cockpit.  That fool is the one who should worry.  He won't be riding in my jumpseat and I believe, as stated in fifi's post above, it will be understood an unpunished when he is denied.  I will keep copies of Jerry's posts just for CYA.  Recording in the flightdeck is inexcusable, much like subverting binding arbitration....but I digress.

 

[EastUS1]

Both sides didn't admit recording activity in the cockpit.  That fool is the one who should worry.  He won't be riding in my jumpseat........

 
Words just fail me here....Is it even possible that you're that mindlessly arrogant, or simply just can't understand that it's not "my jumpseat", and could become, should enough cause sufficient trouble for the company, NO ONE'S jump seat? Are you truly THAT dense? This is perhaps the one situation where we, whatever personal or group animosity exists, should all make the utmost effort to "play nice" with each other.

 

[Claxon]

Both sides didn't admit recording activity in the cockpit.  That fool is the one who should worry.  He won't be riding in my jumpseat and I believe, as stated in fifi's post above, it will be understood an unpunished when he is denied.  I will keep copies of Jerry's posts just for CYA.  Recording in the flightdeck is inexcusable, much like subverting binding arbitration....but I digress.

Brice Le Carre was warned to stop filming on a camera phone on east metal to France.
Captain Gay and Johnny Mac advocated turning in east pilots for purported APU usage. In front of Parker. Auxier and Le Carre have made numerous film attacks. Nobody advocated
denial of J/s.
It will be interesting when east and west jumpseat deniers are hauled into American Airlines psych evals for denials due to retaliation. Then lose the ability to pass ride and J/S.It WILL happen.

 

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Brice Le Carre was warned to stop filming on a camera phone on east metal to France.
Captain Gay and Johnny Mac advocated turning in east pilots for purported APU usage. In front of Parker. Auxier and Le Carre have made numerous film attacks. Nobody advocated
denial of J/s.
It will be interesting when east and west jumpseat deniers are hauled into American Airlines psych evals for denials due to retaliation. Then lose the ability to pass ride and J/S.It WILL happen.

AGREED.

 

[EastUS1]

It will be interesting when east and west jumpseat deniers are hauled into American Airlines psych evals for denials due to retaliation. Then lose the ability to pass ride and J/S.It WILL happen.

 
I'll hope it never goes any farther than that. I'd much rather see that happen to a few than to have problems for the vast majority that do conduct themselves as decent professionals.

 

[Ames]

Words just fail me here....Is it even possible that you're that mindlessly arrogant, or simply just can't understand that it's not "my jumpseat", and could become, should enough cause sufficient trouble for the company, NO ONE'S jump seat? Are you truly THAT dense? This is perhaps the one situation where we, whatever personal or group animosity exists, should all make the utmost effort to "play nice" with each other.

It is my jumpseat and if I choose not to allow a pilot who admits to recording cockpit activity for vindictive purposes I believe that I am justified. Get off your high horse or at least learn to ride it.

 

[EastUS1]

It is my jumpseat .....

 
Sure thing. Every bit as much as it's "your" airplane, to fly wherever you want and do with as you will...?
 
"Get off your high horse or at least learn to ride it."...? Perhaps I'm mistaken here, but it's not me who's arrogantly imagining that I own anything of the company's, nor believe I've any right to misuse the planes or any part of them for purely personal and petty notions, while you are.
 
Ames: "I believe that I am justified." Goody for you. Realize that hardly constitutes any guarantee of your belief being universally accepted.
 
There should NEVER have been any use of the jump seat for childish spite, no matter any/all east-west/west-east animosity....Period! It's far past time that all involved clean up their act. There's just no defensible reason for us all not to conduct ourselves as decent professionals, at least while flying. We can rant and vent all we want on the ground away from the workplace. This thread being proof of that. 😉

 

[Claxon]

It is my jumpseat and if I choose not to allow a pilot who admits to recording cockpit activity for vindictive purposes I believe that I am justified. Get off your high horse or at least learn to ride it.

Does Amtrak run express service CHS to PHX?